kung fu fighting

Self defense class options?

2009-11-14T17:26:00.002-08:00

Hello,

I'm currently looking to join any type of martial arts class for self defense in the summer. However, I would like to know the different options that I may choose and which one may be best suited for me since there are many types.

What I am seeking at the moment is any type of unarmed self defense that strengthens my reaction time and also fighting techniques. The problem right now is that a lot of the different classes that teach styles such as Kung Fu or karate does not seem viable, either for the reason that it is more of a "art" rather than realistic fighting tactics and also for the fact that since most martial art styles do not need government licenses, most likely many classes are not fully legit and I'm afraid the instructors might not be qualified.

So I was wondering if anyone have suggestions as to what type of martial art I should choose for a more realistic learning experience in self defense.

Self defense class options?
Please ignore travis's answer. While these are both good styles, and would probably serve you well, they are not the ultimate. No style is or there would not be so many.

Contrary to what you think, and what a lot fo people do not want to accept on here is Traditional karate, kung fu, TKD are very effective styles for self defense, if you have a good instructor and the class trains them for realism and not sport. They have been around a long time, and the MARINES who brought karate back from Okinawa felt it was very good for self defense. Karate and the others when trained for sport are not great for self defense, just as any other style would not be.

As for your question if all you are looking for is self defense I would not suggest a traditional Martial Art, as these on purpose take a pretty long time to learn anything but the most rudimentary self defense. This is specificly taught this way so that your instructor can gauge your charicter before teaching you moves that could be deadly if trained well and used right. My guess is you would probably want to check out Krav Maga or another reality based fighting system if you only want to learn quick self defense.

Beware that the same thing that happened to karate etc., people maybe earning a blue to black belt and opening their own schools when they really don't know what they are doing, to make money, is probably going to catch up to the reality styles and MMA gym's, so make sure you check the instructor and the school out very well.

Hope this helps.
Reply:Krav Maga was developed in Israel right around it's forming in the midst of a bunch of countries that want to invade them. The civilian version focuses on making sure that you come out of even the worst of situations alive, including disarming knives/guns, fighting multiple opponents, and fighting when exhausted, blinded, or otherwise disabled. It's very often called the art of dirty fighting, and nothing could be more true. I've seen a Krav Maga instructor yell at a student for reasons including not kicking someone in the gonads when the opportunity presented itself, not picking up a stick to use mid-fight, and various other things. Krav Maga stresses that on the street, there are no rules, and that you should fight accordingly.
Reply:the 2 best martial arts for self defense are muay thai and japanese kickboxing!
Reply:Most good schools and instructors allow you to watch a class or two before signing up or joining. I suspect that the problem is that you are looking for a summer only type class or short class and a lot of instructors don't want a student only for the summer. The problem with such classes is that they take up the instructor's time and energy and usually compete with prime time classes where he has more students. Also most people while they say they want self-defense really don't make a serious commitment and dedicate their time, effort, and energy over a three month period and are willing to attend a class regularly so instructors either offer just mini seminars or nothing in itself at all like what you are looking for. Keep shopping and you will find something like that probably before anything else.

wallflower

What are some good, simple self-defense moves?

2009-11-14T17:26:00.001-08:00

I'm a wuss %26amp; a coward. I admit it. I've always been a very weak guy who doesn't know anything about fighting. As a result, I have been bullied a lot in my life, especially in my teen years %26amp; have had never had a girlfriend. I am in my mid-20's now %26amp; don't have any problems with bullies, but I still have never had a GF and I sometimes have a habit of letting jerks walk all over me. It rarely happens %26amp; I have gotten better at standing up for myself, but I am always secretly scared whenever I do stand up for myself %26amp; I think I'd have more self-confidence if I knew how to defend myself. I've tried both Kung-Fu %26amp; boxing, but it never worked out. I'm a simple guy who wants to know just a small hand full of some simple self-defense moves. I don't wanna ever actually engage in a fight. My plan is, if I ever have to fight is to do the simple self defense move, then run away %26amp; call the police. I'm not a fighter. I don't wanna be a fighter. I just wanna learn how to survive %26amp; be more confident.

What are some good, simple self-defense moves?
You are your own worse enemy in that you are what and how you think you are. You make statements like, ' I am a wuss and a coward." Your subconscious mind says OK, your wish is my command, and you are therefore a wuss and a coward.

With the proper mindset and self confidence which will come from inside after you have re-written your " Rules of Engagement", if you will, you will become a new man, and without the ongoing fear factor, you will find less desire or need for learning an effective fight system. Without the proper mindset and self confidence, Steven Segal would be a wuss and a coward. It is imperative you master these two qualities first, before learning any fight system.

After having done that, get ready for that special woman in your life, as she will soon be there for you.

You can take all the flying lessons in the world, but if you have a fear of flying, all the training will be useless if you cannot apply it.

Start immediately in re-programming your subconscious mind with positive affirmations, Pen and paper, and write statements such as, " I am very self confident". or " Women are attracted to me because of my high level of self confidence". Write each of these affirmations 10 times or more, and do this daily.

Use subliminal programs to re-program your sub conscious mind for a high level of self confidence. When the changes take place on the subconscious level, the changes will come from the inside out without interference from your conscious mind.

After you have gained a respect for yourself, then check out the IDF ( Israeli defense force) fight system, Krav Maga. This is what law enforcement agents learn. You would benefit greatly from enrolling in a training course, or there are highly effective training films available on the Internet.

In summary, start by building your self confidence and mindset and you will find your need for a fight system will have diminished considerably. But if you feel the need, get some Krav Maga training and you will be mentally equiped to fight to the finish and come out the winner whether against CQB ( Close Quarter Battle) hand to hand or weapons attack.

Note: Recently, Body Weapons had a special on Krav Maga and the two trainees who were already trained in many martial arts systems, were totally unequiped to deal with the Krav Maga fighters tactics. This included vicious knife attacks from knife fighting professionals, which Krav Maga fighters either disarmed or used weapon to defeat attacker.

Darryl S.
Reply:I did as you said and I feel better already. Report It

Reply:keep at least one or two guns at your home.keep them handy,hidden,loaded,and indifferent rooms.one in the bedroom.you need to at least be able to protect your home.
Reply:Kick em in the balls. Quick and effective. Start by standing in a good side stance. legs shoulder width apart, practice lifting your knee as fast as you can. Once you perfect the knee kick, start throwing the leg out behind it. Also, poking people in the eyes, HARD, is another great move.
Reply:1st I will ask you a question .How often do you intend on practicing any moves we might tell you?If not everyday forget it .Your action has to be automatic without any thought to make you hesitate.That takes tons of practice.Your action has to over ride your fear.Practice kicks no more than stomach hi down to the knees .Then practice knee attacks to the groin or stomach.Then practice grab pull and punch go in for a leg tackle.All these things can be practiced on a heavy bag as your opponent

Remember the only true self defense is walk away or run away everything else is fighting whether you started it or not and that is how the law sees it.
Reply:Try a MA school again. Do something different like TKD - schools are everywhere and you should have no trouble finding one.

I say try again because there is nothing that any Yahoos can tell you that will help you with confidence or in a practical application if you were defending yourself. You need to learn the techniques and practice them on a regular basis and in different scenarios in the dojo.

You will learn alot of different techniques to defend yourself, but you will only actually need a few...and luckily enough, those are the ones they teach you first (simple kicks and punches).

Please try it again and really get into it. As you progress your confidence will increase with your abilities. Good luck!
Reply:That won't work. If you don't don't wanna ever actually engage in a fight, you will never be able to effectively defend yourself. hearing about some moves on Yahoo! Answers will not stop some guy from punking you in the middle of the street. So either cowboy the eff up, or continue to cry yourself asleep, but if you do not like to fight you will never actually be able to, should the need arise. And no, do not get any guns. If you cannot find hand to hand, you will not be able to effectively use weapons either. Pull out a gun, the guy will sense your fear, take the gun from you, and then either shoot you or beat you, or both.
Reply:You can still do martial arts, learn some great things, and not be a fighter. If you want to check out some self defense things online, I would suggest youtube, or expertvillage.

http://www.expertvillage.com/interviews/...

http://beauty.expertvillage.com/intervie...

If you plan on using any of these techniques, you have to practice a lot to be able to them on instinct.
Reply:The best, if there is such a thing, self-defense move is simple, yet very hard to do.

Avoid getting yourself into a situation were fighting becomes an issue.
Reply:Having suffered (and I mean suffered!) from low self-esteem and depression all my life I can only add that Stingray is the man to listen to... No 'self defense' move is going to help you if your cringing in a corner with your hands over your face... Try Stingray's advice and if that doesn't work get some professional counselling help... You need to build your ego, not your muscles! ;-) All the very best with it... I do Tae Kwon Do by the way, I'm 'only' a yellow belt (get told off for putting the 'only' all the time... ), but it's getting better all the time... My hubby and my nine year old also do TKD and they are both Blue Belts... (I had a six month break to get through my last depression.. but I'm on their tails!)

Bruce Lee & David Carradine in the early 70´s, was a racist decision by hollywood?

2009-11-14T17:26:00.000-08:00

what do u think of that? According to interviews with Chuck Norris %26amp; Bruce´s widow - Linda Lee Caldwell in 2002

Bruce Lee was screwed out of the "Kungfu TV show" because it was Bruce Lee's idea to make this show so the producers felt that the american producers wasn't ready for an asian actor. Does it occur to yeah that Bruce Lee had another TV show called the green hornet it was a american TV show. So after Bruce Lee got stiff for this project producers went out and got David Carradine.Carradine couldn't even fight really, he didn't know anything about Kung Fu.

PS: Nowadays Hollywood put the name of the late Bruce into the "HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME" besides James Dean %26amp; Marilyn Monroe.

Bruce Lee %26amp; David Carradine in the early 70´s, was a racist decision by hollywood?
It is true that David Carradine was not a martial artist previous to the show "Kung Fu". Since then, though, he has become quite an accomplished martial artist.

No question that the reason Bruce Lee was not cast as a lead in a movie or television show in the 60's was due to racism. In fact, according to interviews and books I have read, he got the part of Kato due to the fact he wears a mask and his eyes could appear more round.

While I think this is all horrible, I can't pass judgment on events that happened 30-40 years ago with today's value standards. In all honesty, the producers of TV shows want to have high ratings so that advertisers will pay more for time slots during the shows. At that time, even in our great country, people may not have been ready for a strong Asian lead character.

It is sad to think though, that even just a few short years later that "Enter the Dragon" had such success with a strong Asian lead who was tragically taken from us at what should have been the height of his success. When we were finally ready, Bruce Lee was gone...
Reply:Excellent answer Steel!! :) Report It

Reply:Yes it was a racist decision
Reply:Definitely a racist decision. A Chinese person, or a person of any other color than white, could not be a lead in a show in the U.S. He was Kato in "The Green Hornet", but only because it wasn't the lead.

I believe that the lack of a true kung fu star allowed the success of such martial arts shams as Chuck Norris and Jean Claude Van Damme.

Today, we're lucky to have Jackie Chan and Jet Li to elevate the standard of kung fu in U.S. movies.
Reply:prejudice that is all it was ,by the way bruce lee , although he stole the show in the green hornet wasn't the star of the show but a trusty side kick. It took a success of 'enter the dragon' to establish him as a true international star ,ironically dying almost simultaneouly to it's release!
Reply:who ever gave you all of that info is full of bs historically lee and carradine are equals, both went to the same shaolin academy at the same time, when the time for the show parts to be given out, lee was busy making a movie in singapore, the producers would not wait, gave it to carradine,, incdently his father john had a lot of pull in the final cut
Reply:What do you expect from a country that had slaves and the Klu Klax Klan its predjudiced beliefs are still around in some states. Did you see the films Easy Rider, or Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee, I could go on, but why bother !!

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Bruce Lee & David Carradine in the early 70´s, was a racist decision by hollywood?

2009-11-14T17:25:00.003-08:00

According to interviews with Chuck Norris %26amp; Bruce´s widow - Linda Lee Caldwell in 2002

Bruce Lee was screwed out of the "Kungfu TV show" because it was Bruce Lee's idea to make this show so the producers felt that the american producers wasn't ready for an asian actor. Does it occur to yeah that Bruce Lee had another TV show called the green hornet it was a american TV show. So after Bruce Lee got stiff for this project producers went out and got David Carradine he can't even fight really, he doesn't know anything about Kung Fu.

what do you think of that ?

Bruce Lee %26amp; David Carradine in the early 70´s, was a racist decision by hollywood?
True // They Cheated Bruce Out Of Doing The Tv Show Kung Fu

1971 - December 7 (Age 31): Hong Kong - Bruce receives telegram, notifying him that he had not been chosen for the part in the upcoming series, The Warrior. This series was later released as Kung-Fu, staring David Carradine, who doesn't know anything about martial arts. (The show aired as ABC-TVs Movie of the Week on February 21, 1972.)
Reply:new one to me I didn't know that !

Do you consider MMA, PRIDE, and UFC a sport or a game?

2009-11-14T17:25:00.002-08:00

Anyone catch those thugged out Geico cavemen look-a-likes on these reality "fighting" shows? They seem to be on everyday now. These undisciplined punks. Kung Fu is a sport, Tae Kwon Do is a sport, Golf is a sport, watching these pigs fight is not a sport, it is a game, much like the Xbox 360 because it takes no skill to throw wild haymakers and roll on the floor twisting someone's arm trying to make them cry 'uncle'.

Where is the skill and the athletic ability? There is none. Why do these guys waste all the hours in the day doing this? It makes me sad. They might as well play checkers, magic the gathering, or shuffle board. Its all the same thing. Its a game, not a sport.

Does anyone else agree with me? I'd rather watch curling or my nephew playing the Wii, because its basically the same thing as what these "athletes" do.

Do you consider MMA, PRIDE, and UFC a sport or a game?
These events should be considered in the arena of extreme sports.

Unlike the staged theatrics and soap opera of WCW and similar venues; the guys who participate in the MMA, PRIDE, and UFC are actual fighters.

Martial Art styles (Kung Fu, Karate, Tang Su Do, Judo, Jujitsu, Kempo, Akido, etc) were not developed as a "sport" but were developed as actual combat and war-fighting methods.

Tae Kwon Do is a sport (it was developed from Tang So Do) and as most of the Martial Arts community can vouch for it is something which everyone can do and no one gets hurt; but it was designed with that in mind. I have seen Tae Kwon Do practitioners completely dominate and defeat undisciplined people in fights. One individual defeated four guys in a matter of about 45 seconds.

Judo is a sport, however, I have seen some of the worst injuries not from kick-boxing but from Judo matchs, broken arms, legs, necks, dislocated joints are very comon. A guy who knows Judo is a very dangerous person indeed.

In real Martial Arts the warrior who knew the most usually had a much better chance of surviving an actual conflict.

Your analysis of a bunch of brutes throwing each other around is completely uneducated, misinformed, and wrong. Militaries, Law Enforcement, and all sorts of goverrnment agencies world-wide pay billions of dollars each year in order to train their men in such combat scenarios and systems. The reason they do this is because it works and it saves lives.

With that part being said, I think that the current craze of so-called exteme fighting has greatly detracted from the pure sport of fighting and has lessened and cheapened the respect and credibility of fighting systems. They are no longer contests to see which is better and how to learn but unmercifull bloodsport with trash talking.

lilycare

Twin brothers ... Funny or not...?

2009-11-14T17:25:00.001-08:00

Twin brothers in their mom's womb are having a conversation.

One says to the other: " I want to invent a light bulb when I grow up, it's so dark here."

The other one says : " I want to learn Kung Fu when I grow up, so I can fight that bald guy who always puts his head in and spit on me. "

Please give a star if you think it's funny.

Twin brothers ... Funny or not...?
no star...gross
Reply:ok here is your star
Reply:its okay...
Reply:eww, wow
Reply:Oh, Lord that is HILARIOUS. Very nice. OK, you get a star.
Reply:hahaha legend - i'll give u a star ;)
Reply:it was ok, not the funny ,so no star sorry
Reply:good one.

star.
Reply:Ha Ha! Funny! 10!
Reply:dont get it

How can i make a pair of tonfas and combat fans?

2009-11-14T17:25:00.000-08:00

im a kung-fu and martial arts fanatic and i wanna learn basically ever fighting style know to man kind but mainly weapon styles lol :P so can someone tell me how to make a pair of tonfas and combat fans? im very egar to hear a awnser lol thanks to whoever posts a answer ^^

How can i make a pair of tonfas and combat fans?
1) Borrow examples from a friend or work from photos.

2) Measure them and make up a drawing

3) Buy some material %26amp; supplies

4) Cut,sand,drill,glue,assemble,%26amp; stain your projects

5) Enjoy your copies.
Reply:Really, if you want sets of these weapons, your best bet is to buy them rather than to make them. It's not likely you're going to find a step-by-step instruction manual on the Internet on how to create such weapons. You can buy these from many different martial arts supply websites, although I recommend someone like Ed Green from Budo Weapons, since he handmakes everything to a high degree of quality. The problem is that he's so backed up on orders right now that you could wind up waiting a year or so to receive yours. If you don't want to wait that long, look around, visit www.awma.com or one of the other more popular supply stores online and see what's available.

If you're dead-set on making some yourself, it's going to take a long time of practice, study, trial and error to get it right. You might be able to buy some manuals somewhere that teach you how to make them...but I wouldn't have the first clue where to look.

Dont you guys agree Mike tyson was one of the greatest fighters in the world?

2009-11-14T17:24:00.002-08:00

a bunch of you internet people always preach to me on how to be , humble and cool headed in a fight , like that bullcrap you see in kung fu movies and ****. well how about mike tyson , you cant argue that he was not one of the most feared and dominate fighters to ever walk the planet.

Dont you guys agree Mike tyson was one of the greatest fighters in the world?
the whole point of being humble is that no matter how big and bad you are there's always someone who can beat you, or at least have a chance of beating you.

but no doubt mike tyson was a great BOXER definitely would beat me. but then again by being humble i would most likely not be in a situation to fight him in the first place

if you walk around with a chip on your shoulder its only a matter of time before someone knocks you down to size
Reply:he is terrible
Reply:Very tough guy,no doubt.

There is more to being popular then just being big,scary,and hard to beat.

I really liked Sugar Ray Leonard,so did "Everyone else"

There is more to being "Well Liked" than winning.
Reply:First off tyson wasnt a fighter yes he was labeled boxer and had 1 punch knockout power but I guarantee against prob hundreds of other fighters he would not last longer than 10 min not to mention a lot of the guys who beat knocked out whatever were nobodies and has beens and discipline is everything being methodical and calculated is even better than having the 1 punch knock out power because great fighters can take a punch not mention submit you choke you out or knock you out with hands or feet

tyson probably isnt even a top 20 boxer of all time or prob a top 10 heavyweight for that matter
Reply:When I hear Tyson's name I can only think of this famous saying... "The brightest flame burns quickest."

1) Tyson was a monster and completely dominant during his prime.

He had it all when he was focused; speed, power, aggressiveness, intimidation, defense (great head movement), conditioning, great body punching, and he threw punches in combinations.

It was only after everyone from the early days were gone and he was surrounded by Don King and sychophants that he lost focus, stopped training, and became a shadow of his former self.

2) He fought the best competition available in his prime. Spinks was still recognized by many as the true HW champ and was considered a true threat to Mike... Right up until about 91 seconds into the first round. Larry Holmes was a great former champion and went on to have a very good 2nd career beating legitimate contenders like Ray Mercer.

Yes Tyson may not have had the greatest competition to face but it was the best available in the 80's. Is that Mike's fault? Of course not, but some want to point to this as a reason why Tyson was so over-rated.

3) Many claim that Mike's short lived prime show's he was over-rated. But when you look at boxing history that just doesn't stand up to facts...

Tyson despite all his natural speed and great defence (and yes in his prime he did have a great defense) was a puncher. A look back at history shows that no puncher had a very long prime or title reign. Foreman, Marciano, Dempsey... All had short reigns as champion. The longest being Dempsey who during a 6 year riegn fought... 6 times(!) before losing to Tunney. And even Marciano who was undefeated (and has been berated for having lackluster competition) only had a 3 year run...

As exciting as punchers are to watch once they've been "figured out" they are effectively out of their prime. Not one has ever regained the HW title. And in Tyson's case this was sped up by his loss of focus after all his original camp was swept away.

Tyson was great in his day but he was never gonna have a long prime no matter what...

Need help with new book can't decide which to write?

2009-11-14T17:24:00.001-08:00

i'm wanting to start writting a new book but i have three subjects to write about

one is called kung fu girls about five girls from five continents who are master kung fu fighters who join together and enter a world wide fighting compitention who then break up to destroy each other after the leader of the tricks them in to thicking they all sould each other out after making a bet to their arch rivals the Dem smokers clique

the second is called called town of tice a hip hop version of the 1978 jonestwon mass murder sucide which takes place in brazil when a large group of the hip hop communty moves there from los angelous after americas bands major record labels from putting out rap albums with explict lyrics

the thrid is a fantacy story and the a abot two twin sisters who where raised by two seperate familes living in a modern mid evil like middle earth where they are orderd to kill each other familes buy their great lord

which one do you think is best?

Need help with new book can't decide which to write?
First, you have to get a more careful eye. Watch out for your spelling and grammar errors. =)

Um ... I like the Kung Fu Girls story out of all those. Although I wouldn't name their rivals that. I would give them a more kung-fu-ish name.

Good luck, remember, watch your spelling and grammar. And be patient, don't rush anything. =)
Reply:Its not my book to write. Your supposed to be the writer. You may wont to consider something else.
Reply:im a writer too and i usually write three subjects at once and just keep writing on the one that really flows
Reply:ur the writer but i would say the fantasy story because that my favorite genre but all 3 of them sound good

watch the spelling and grammer

the 1st story was hard to understand about the leader
Reply:You should take some English grammar lessons,it will serve you well in the future.

Are these martial arts effective at all in a street fight?

2009-11-14T17:24:00.000-08:00

taekwondo - i really dont see how kicking someone will win you a fight never mind an experienced fighter but even against a bumb on the street. but if you can elaborate please tell me how it is effective. same goes for kenpo karate, kung fu and boxing.

for me i belive if you fight more than two attackers you wont possibly win. this is why i think brazilian jujitsu will serve as self defense as will judo, sambo, amateur wrestling and a few other styles but they are not practiced often. more often than not its the least effective arts that are taught that you cannot you in a defensive situation.

why is this?

Are these martial arts effective at all in a street fight?
I don't believe in ineffective styles.

I believe in ineffective training methods.

Any style, technique is simply a tool in your tool belt, you have to learn of it's effectiveness for you, or ineffectiveness. By large and large Judo is considered an "effective" art by most standards. However that doesn't mean every single throw is combat effective, or even effective for a person. A great Judoka has maybe 2 or 3 throws that he can do at any angle, without fail.

A world champion boxer has maybe one or two good punches that he can hit accurately with knock out power with regularity.

The same with all fighters, they have an arsenal of a bunch of moves, but perfect a few, they have a style based on that.

But the only way you learn those things is through combat, sparring, hard resistent alive training against opponents who are attempting to do the same to you. That is where you develop what works for you and what doesn't.

I don't believe in writing a whole style off, there are proven techniques in nearly all the styles, but I will quickly write off any training approach that does not train with resistance and alive hard sparring. Until you can perform a technique on an individual repeatedly who is trying to prevent you from doing so, you don't truly have grasp of that technique.

Additionally until you have done so under adrenaline, you truly aren't effective either. I have seen guys who are dojo bad@sses, that can wipe the floor with everyone they face, but the second they get in a ring, cage, or tournament suddenly they just suck. Similarly I have seen guys do horrible in the dojo or gym, and see them just destroy guys in tournaments, cages, and rings.

I think a lot of people discount actual instincts, and think for some reason that because a person does this or this, that they some how won't have basic human instinct.

News Flash: Wrestlers, Judokas, BJJer, Samboist, all can punch as well. They can all throw fists, and do what comes natural to humans for combat. They are just more skilled once it comes to a grappling or in close portion.

I think that anything in which you can actively spar heavy and hard with, and get a chance to compete in against a stranger gives you a distinct advantage in adrenaline based situations.

The truth is the best techniques are simple, and they are in every art in some form. Every art has a punches, kicks, etc.

They may vary how they do it, but they all have it.

There are techniques from any art you can incorporate into your repetoire and make effective. But only is made effective by actually doing it at full speed, at full intensity, with regularity.

Simple fact is I HIGHLY doubt you "fight in a cage" because your ideas are flawed towards ONLY grappling. A boxer would DESTROY a bum on the street.

I am not sure where you get BJJ, Judo, and Amateur wrestling aren't practiced often. Practically every High School in the US, England, and the civilized world has a Wrestling team. Judo is EVERYWHERE. BJJ might be harder to find, but not so much. I can see how Sambo might be thought of as less practiced.

Also if you don't see how leg kicks, body kicks, liver kicks, knees, elbows, and fists won't help you in a fight, on the street. Well then you are a lost cause.

Grappling is just one range of fighting, and mind you can close the distance and get to it quickly. However that doesn't discount the need to know effective striking.

Again, this comes from actually striking, not from forms, not from bags, not from point sparring, and tippy tap sparring. But from hard sparring, and practicing those skills as close to a fully adrenalized situation as possible.

Grappling gives you the bonus of being able to train at full speed, full intensity, and having lesser chance for injury. It's VERY effective training, but there is also very effective striking.

More importantly, there is striking defense that has to be learned, if you grapple only and rarely have shots thrown at you, you have no idea how much you can actually get hurt, how an open guard is punishment, and how being turtled is one of the worst positions you can be in.

Again, I think you need to know all phases of unnarmed combat, and know them effectively, by effectively training. I don't think this is an art specific problem, I think this is a training problem. I think most arts specialize in one area, and rightly so. You should learn from those specialist, then cross train with other specialist, and become a well rounded fighter.

I don't think one art can show you everything, because there are nuances to each phase that you can only get from specializing in it. Additionally techniques that could be effective for your body style, or traits are left out.

For example:

Take Judo: There are 67 some odd official throws, hundreds of variations. In general Osoto Gari, Seionage, Uechi Mata, are some of the more used throws.

However there are literally hundreds of ways to throw these throws. An art that combines striking, throws, ground work, might show you one or two ways to throw these throws, and none of them could be the most effective for you. But also, they leave out literally hundreds of other throws aside from these that could be a better suit for you.

The only way to really know what throws work for you, and the various ways of throwing them is to go to a Judo place and work.

Everyone has their own style, their own techniques that work better for their build and their abilities. With effective alive training they can find them, they can develop timing, they can see the reactions, know openings, know how and when to use a technique and how when to NOT use a particular technique.

I believe in training methods, not specific arts. I won't write off an entire art, because it could have stuff I can use. I will write off a place that doesn't train effectively or realistically, and attempts to disguise this by saying it is too dangerous or secretive.

Well that is my take, to be effective you need to be well rounded. You don't have to be the best at any one thing, but you should be able to defend yourself in any range of combat.

If you neglect one area, then you are weak in that area, and in turn weak to defend against it.

You don't have to be the best boxer in the world, but you better know how to defend against good boxing. The same with grappling. YOu don't have to be a submission expert, but you damn sure better be competent with defending them, and the requires a high level of familiarity of them. Familiarity you get from sparring at that range against skilled opponents and recognizing the common set ups, and feeling when they are going for it.

It's not about arts, or even individuals (though athleticism and natural talent do have a say in matters) it is about effective training and developing your own style, knowing what works for you and what doesn't, and any possible thing that can be thrown at you, at least to the competency of how to defend against it.

That is just my opinion.
Reply:they ''re only effective if the combat is between two individuals ^^
Reply:No!

Martial arts are not for street fights!

Street fights are an illegal and, quite frankly, stupid activity. If you keep getting into them, sooner or later, you'll cross the wrong person. The wrong person is either a) A hardened criminal who won't think twice about using a deadly weapon. b) A mugger who wants to get you isolated so his friends can jump you and get your valuables c) A crazed drug addict or mental health patient who doesn't have an "off" switch once they go off. d) A sociopath who doesn't care how he wins, as long as he does (again, weapons)... A number of other scenarios come to mind.

Martial arts in street fights is the stuff of movies. In real life, street fighting is about violence, plain and simple - about attempting to submit and incapacitate another person. If you're lucky enough to be doing this with a person who has the same idea as you about what's acceptable and what's not in a "fair" fight, but sooner or later, you're going to get into a scuffle with someone who has no such notion. By the time you realize this, it may be too late and you may be living your last moments on earth, or about to be disabled for life.

And if you keep playing tough and street-fighting, it's not a question of IF this will happen, but WHEN. This is not high school anymore and it certainly isn't the movies. With any luck, martial arts will give you the wisdom to walk away from this kind of macho idiocy.

Now self-defence is another issue. Self-defence and fighting are not the same. Any martial art is good for self-defence. Their main benifit is confidence and awareness - two skills that have more to do with survival than any "technique". Your first concern if assaulted should not be to win - but to get out of the situation. Call in help if you can. Run if that's open to you. Staying there and mixing it up with a violent person is just asking for trouble and trouble will find you sooner or later.

No you don't.

If you're such an expert (a professional no less!), why are you asking us?
Reply:Off course these are effective in your daily life. I'm taking karate class and we are learning the most important thing: self defense. It also teaches us how to fight 1to1, 1to2, and 1to3. Once I was attacked by 2 people and I defended myself. Those techniques were very much helpful.
Reply:Martial arts is a defensive protection and should only be used for protection, but it is based on your abilities and skills. Once you acquired the experience and skills doesn't mean you can whip any one. It means you'll be able to protect yourself.

Once heard (quote)"that with great power,comes great responsibility"(unquote) Martial art is a tool, just like a gun or knife. You use it irresponsible you'll hurt yourself or someone else. You need to investigate the art you wish to master and once you started some classes you'll gain the confidence to excel.

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Martial art whether gained from jujitsu or taekwondo was intended for self defense and not for running down the other guy and kicking his *ss, to do so has made you the attacker, and subject to the laws or civil actions that occur. One should not seek marital art to improve his performance in the "ring".
Reply:When I was 3 months into training in American Karate, I learned that who wins in a fight is dependent upon the individual himself or herself. I've met people who trained regularly and are easily beaten in a contest. And I've met people with no formal martial arts training who (I feel) were very intimidating. I don't feel it's the Style of martial arts that matters, but the intensity in your training, and how badly do you want to win (in competitive tournaments, or defending yourself on the street). Definitely, try out the style (or club) that your considering joining. If they do not allow you to sit-in on classes for a week, or at least 3 days, then walk away. Important points: How the Instructor(s) relate to the student(s), how good are the facilities, what is stressed in the teaching (Forms and/or applied techniques as in Sparring), what is it you want to get from the training. I thought I just wanted to look Kool with high-jumping, high kicking movements, but found I appreciated developing confidence in myself was what I really wanted.
Reply:the problem most people have is that they don't see the difference between by the book martial arts and straight fighting.

The original martial arts were taught as an instrument of self defense. They used all the tricks in the book (the dirty ones too) to defend themselves against agression. Of course as training became organised inevitably there had to be a system of rules and restrictions to keep students from beating each other to a bloody pulp every class. Problem with many modern MA is that these rules have been so embedded that people forget to look towards realism and sometimes are so stuck to their pure style that against some one who's "been taught from another book" they are useless. Wide knowledge , experience and a sence of realism are what makes for a good and useable form of martial art.
Reply:Dude, martial arts don't fight. It's the person that fights. Just because you train in a martial art, doesn't mean that you have to fight exactly like that.

Another thing too, the NAME of the art itself is a lifeless concept and it's up to YOU to bring the concept to life.

Like Taekwondo for instance, it means way of the fist and foot. Does that mean that you have to use high flashy kicks? NO. Just because your instructor does it, doesn't mean yu have to as well. Your instructor is their as a purpose JUST TO GET YOU STARTED. He lays the basics down for you. After that, it's up to you to modify the techniques to suit you better.

So to answer your question, it's all about the techniques and strategies that YOU YOURSELF uses. This is when it becomes YOUR OWN martial art, and the techniques that you picked up from training will then become JUST techniques. Not Kenpo techniques, or BJJ techniques, etc.

That's the way how martial arts REALLY supposed to work.

Oh and another thing. You got the wrong idea about ground grappling working for multiple attackers. If you stand there and grapple with someone and then go to the ground with him, that is a dangerous and stupid mistake for you. The best thing to do is to stay on your feet and strike as long as you can, because once you're on the ground, you are either going to get cut up, busted up, or pummeled to death by your attacker and not to mention his/her friends if he has any around.

You also got the wrong idea about striking not working for one on one situations. That's bull. You are more at risk grappling with your opponent than you are with striking. I'd rather fire a rapid combination of strikes at my opponent, knowing that i'm going to hurt him for sure, rather than grapple with him, when hurting him is not always the case.

THINK.
Reply:In a street fight, is all out as everyone knows

-my friend's been in quite a lot

The best form of martial arts are Chinese Martial Arts, Tae Kwon Do is only to get the threat away from u

but chinese martial arts has many MANY forms. I'm currently learning the five ancient styles and it really works in a all out street fight. Chinese Martial arts is the most likely to success against more then 1 opponent

The styles u listed on ur question, they are just 1 form and not multiple forms. Good fighters hav more then 1 styles

I hav Tai Chi fists, Judo, and White Crane Fists

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and my master foughts against 42 people at once haha

its possible if master multiple forms

good luck on the streets (just make sure there's witnesses)
Reply:Yeah. These are all effective in a street fight. To varying degrees. Each has strengths and weaknesses. If you're a master at any of those styles, and have enough understanding of specific attack methods of your opponent, (or plural) you can be amazingly effective. (i.e. how to avoid takedowns, or get out of an armbar, or dodge a quick jab)
Reply:Beating them to a pulp only teaches them to find easier game not change their stupid ways.So everytime you beat one of these nitwits some other poor bugger is going to pay for it or his girl freind /wife/kids.

May not be your problem but from what I have read in your post you dont seem to have much of a social concience anyway and would rather massage your vanity and call it pride.
Reply:TKD- worthless, the helpful kicks come later on in the training, require good physical strenght and constant practice.

Kenpo- really good, focuses on punches, kicks, self defense situations and judo moves. For the physical aspect you won't be able to do good kicks after you stop studying, but you still have the punches and the throws which do not require physical strenght or constant training.

Karate- good but requires you to be physical fit.

Kungfu- same as karate

Boxing- very good but requires top physical strenght

Brazilian Juijitsu - best for 1v1 does not require physical strenght. But is weak against multiple opponents.
Reply:Yes martial arts could be used in a street fight i learned how to make someone "forget how to breath" and when i was being jumped at a party i used it on one of the guys and his friends took of But i also knew how to get him breathing again. And for TKD if u don't think that one swift kick to the head isn't going to take him down then u better start another style because ur obviosly not trained enough
Reply:head kicking is not safe for fighting outside the dojo or tournaments. anyone thinking otherwise is a fool. the timing and accuracy it requires (not to mention loose clothing) goes out the window when you start to have the fine motor skill shut down when adrenaline hits home.

people who run in gangs fight all the time and protect their heads, so what good is a head kick when they charge in and cut off your only weapon? point sparring wont help train anyone for fighting outside of point sparring.

so TKD is out.
Reply:"I really don't see how kicking someone will win you a fight "

This statement doesn't make sense.

I have "personally" won 70+% of my fights with kicks to the midsection/solar plexus. "Any" experienced fighter knows this.

Is this question just to stir things up?

As for Kenpo,"every" Martial Artist on this site agrees that Kenpo is a good system.

I think Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is excellent but to be a "Well Rounded" fighter adding Kenpo or American Karate is a very big plus.
Reply:Judomofo has the response I can agree with the most.

There's no such thing as an ineffective martial art: There's just ineffective training methods and concepts that many styles live by, which, unfortunately, causes a lot of experienced/inexperienced people trouble in competition and street situations. These are the things that sometimes weigh down people within styles. This is not a determination of effectiveness, but moreso application. There's some styles that are easier to learn than others to learn for any number of people.

You see styles such as BJJ, San Shou, Muay Thai, and Kyokushin (Or Seidokan) karate do well in things such as MMA and the street because they usually have intense training methods, and the men/women that show their talents are sometimes as tuff as nails (Or their counterparts in other styles ^_^ ). That training is what gives them the edge. Just think: If Muay Thai had traditonal one step sparring that is well-known in some forms of Karate, how effective would it be? :P

-Kicks are very effective in the right hands, however: High kicks tend to be risky. They make for great KOs, but they are integral to all around self defense. It's either that, or you at least have to have strong legs as to not have them to successfully weakened so easily.

Tae Kwon Do, contrary to popular belief, has kicks that go to all regions. Many styles and schools, however, adopt "Point-Sparring" (Which by itself is horrible, but as a part of an overall three level sparring [Point, light contact, and full contact] is ok), or they do not teach traditional things such as knees, elbows, and leg kicks. Originally, it was very good, and most of the kicks were to the body and below, which are still to this day effective. I've taken it before, and while head kicks do help in sparring: I usually go for the body. Cracking a rib with a side kick is easier than knocking someone out with a tornado inside crescent in most people.

There was a big movement away from the cheap moves, but those are the kind of things that one needs in the street. You should combine whatever "formed" moves you have with bites, eye gouges, groin strikes, et cetera... The Tao of Jeet Kune Do has a big basis around this: The ability to be unrestrained. You have every right to let your potential out should you be in a situation where you just have to fight in order to survive.

Most people just need to find one art (Or a set of arts) that teaches fighting on all ranges (Or learn 1-2 ranges and defense against attacks from other ranges such as Wing Chun close combat, with the "Counter-grappling" element heavily expressed), spar with people from other disciplines to get a feel for people that fight differently, and learn to apply the moves that work for them, and no one else (Another part of the Tao of JKD).

Any of the arts you've listed can be effective

TKD- Ease of high kicks (Unless you have mad skills, or that's practical for you), more intense training, and a combination sparring that includes full contact is all that's needed. That, and the one learning how to apply the techniques. The legs are bigger limbs, and it may just be ones gift: Especially if their build aligns to it.

Kenpo- Usually this has a higher ratio of hand striking than leg striking, and that's perfectly fine. The sparring concept is the same here: One has to get close to the traditional ring setting, which is one of the closest settting to a street fight.

Kung Fu- The same applies, depending on style. A lot of the styles mix concepts, and some also include weight training. One has to learn application, and they must stay intense with training.

These apply with Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, and BJJ: These grappling styles have intense sparring elements, and they are important for successful use. That resistance, and compeitition is what emulates a street situation.

The styles do vary on a plane of aggression also, however. Kung Fu, TKD, and Kenpo are more defensive in nature than something such as Muay Thai, but defense is important in Muay Thai, although the offense/offensive counter is usually what wins a good match.

It's not the style: It's the training methodology, application, length in style, and training intensity that matters. Skill is skill: That is not style depedent.
Reply:Having taken TKD I can tell you it stunk in a streetfight. I just reverted back to my street fighting and won everytime.

Boxing is effective. Unless you are fighting a person who has ground skills, but that is highly unlikely.

Judo and Jiu Jitsu is obviously great self defense.

It is hard to say about Kung Fu, Akido, Hapkido etc. since they don't like to spar in the same mannder Judo and Jiu Jitsu. In fact we have yet to see them do anything on the street.
Reply:ok...first off, u do not use martials arts in street fights. and if you learned Taekwondo, you went to the wrong kind of Taekwondo school...lol... First off, Martial arts is for self defense. In Taekwondo, you should be able to learn how to defend yourself not just with kicks but also counters using your arms, fists, knees, palms, all that stuff. all Martial Arts are effective. it just depends on how you use it and how you perform the correct technique need at the correct time. Soo... yeah...
Reply:Man I do WTF Taekwondo, and I can tell you.

Headshots for the win.

I don't even know how many headshots I given to people, or if I made there nose/mouth bleed lol.

If it was a real fight most likely a good trained tkd person can knock him/her out. Or you can either fricken break their ribs/kill their breath with a back kick.

It's all the user of the art basically.
Reply:Wow...this is quite a chain of responses and counter-responses.

The art is only as good as the experience, ability, and knowledge of the practitioner. TaeKwon-Do is an extremely effective art as my own students have occassionally been unlucky enough to have to prove in real physical defense situations. I'm eqully convinced that Kenpo, Kung Fu, and boxing are equally applicable given an equally experienced, able, and knowledgable practitioner.

Your point about these arts being limited against a grappler is valid to a degree, but again it comes down entirely to the ability of each practitioner. None of the times I ever had to use defensive techniques ever ended up on the ground or grappling, and none of my TaeKwon-Do students who had to defend themselves ended up on the ground grappling with someone either. ALL systems of defense have strengths and weaknesses.

My associaiton has a freestyle sparring model which provides a similar experience to UFC/MMA without the full contact aspect. It allows all disciplines to compete together, utilizing all techniques avaialble, but uses the judges to determine advantage. We constatnly find that the more experienced player will have a significant advantage over a less experienced or skilled player - irrespective of the discipline either comes from. The inexperienced grappler often leaves themselves open to counter strikes before they get the kicker or puncher to the ground, or they leave vital areas open to attack once on the ground. Equally, the inexpereinced kicker or puncher often executes their technique too slowly or does not recover their leg or arm effectively, leaving an opening for grapplers or counter-fighters to take them down.

It's also a strange falacy to believe that TaeKwon-Do, or Kung Fu, or Karate practitioners never consider the possibility that physical defensive situations could end up in close or on the ground. I'm certainly well aware of it and my students train and prepare for it. I also know a number of fellow instructors who do the same.

So I think the premise of your question is somewhat flawed in it's broad generalization of all artists.

Ken C

9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do

8th Dan TaeKwon-Do

7th Dan YongChul-Do

Why aren't cops better trained in self defense techniques?

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I have watched many police videos, and have seen several cops almost overpowered by suspects and an officer attacked and shot dead with his own gun. Granted, cops have MACE/pepper spray, batons, handguns, blackjacks, etc. But they cannot just shoot a suspect if they are unarmed. The officers have to subdue them hand to hand.

After seeing many martial arts classes in kung fu san soo, Krav Maga, Gracie style and other fighting methods, they are more than capable of using holds, arm locks, etc. to disable attackers with guns knives and physical strength of an opponent. I saw a video of the late Master Jimmy Woo who was attcked full force by guys bigger and tougher than he was, but he put them all down. Why aren't cops capable of disabling a powerful suspect with a matial art technique? Why aren't they trained better to disable an aggressive attacker? Sometimes it takes 2-4 officers to handle a rough neck. Any cops care to comment? Be careful and watch yourselves from bad elements.

Why aren't cops better trained in self defense techniques?
I work as a Corrections Officer in a maximun security prison. I have ten years of martial arts training that includes Gracie style ju jitsu. It's ignorant to assume that martial arts training FULLY prepares you for a real fight. Only real fights prepare you for real fights, because not everything happens the way you train for it, and that situation is one that officers want to avoid.

Having trained for so long, I would say I might be better prepared than some. As law enforcement officers, you often have to think about the appropriate use of force. Anyone knows that hesitation in dire straights leads to bad things, but our jobs could be on the chopping block as well as our lives. We cannot simply block the attack and break an arm with a hold. We have to JUSTIFY the force used. Lawsuits bad.

Plus, it's expensive to put an entire force through regimented tactical martial arts training. A sad but true fact that budget enters into the equation.

I, personally, have never been in or seen a demonstration where people were attacking "full force" and being defended as such. I would like to see if Tito Ortiz could defend himself against 4 armed men.
Reply:In some departments they are, now the use tazer guns. also some of the suspects are on Meth. and that's one drug that in many cases take several officers to bring a suspect down
Reply:Your Right
Reply:There are alot of bad guys that work out, alot. To expect every cop to be able to Bruce Lee every bad guy is not realistic. Add in PCP, meth etc and you can have your hands full.
Reply:It seems that once you're in, you're in. Why are so many cops so fat they couldnt get to their gun without shotting themselves. Why have cops lost all aspects of human relations? When is the last time a cop talked decently to you. They act like smartasses even if you are just asking for directions. Now all cops do not meet this criteria but more meet this criteria than I am comfortable with. Yes, martial arts would be great. Maybe they could arrest someone without beating them half to death. But who is going to make them do any of this training?
Reply:Every situation will vary from department to department, and in many cases its hard to say what an officer would, could or should have done in the heat of the moment. Many officers are trained in basic self defense, but few really go all out and get more advanced training, and many stay in shape better than others. Also another factor, is the person they might be trying to arrest, might be under the infulence of something and have to be overpowered. And many offenders who don't have a problem killing a cop, is someone with nothing to lose, but freedom. Also the fact that many offenders might be bigger than the officers, and this does play a big part. Yes, I am all for officers getting the best training possible in the areas of self defense and also having the best tools to assist them in their daily duties. This topic can go on and on, but I strongly feel that every officer does a thankless job, and they need all the support and funding they can get, to better, "Protect and Serve".
Reply:Most modern law enforcement agencies do train in hand to hand combat. In fact, many use the same guidelines our military use. But a glaring difference in your examples as related to real police work is that martial artists are just that, martial artists. (Not all, but most) And as such, they train daily. Law enforcement officers spend approximately 20% of the off duty time attending court, many have families which require their quality time and may are otherwise involved doing overtime work or who knows what? They live their lives much as anyone else does, they do a little personal work in ther spare time and they have some fun.

One of the best arguments in favor of the use of the Taser. A very efficient non-lethal method to subdue a suspect.
Reply:Being a firefighter, I've responded to some of these incidents.

Drug users are very, very, very, strong. Meth and PCP especially. Some of our police officers are not in shape. I even watched one police officer at the firing range blast a round through his holster, trying to draw it. (very funny)
Reply:TO BE HONEST, THE PUBLIC AND GOVERNMENT. THEY ISSUE US A BATON AND WHEN JUSTIFIED, CAN STRIKE A PERSON WITH IT. TAKE THE SAME SCENERIO, BUT SAY WE CANT GET TO OUR BATON AND HIT THEM WITH A FLASH LIGHT..ITS CONSIDERED EXCESSIVE FORCE. THE PUBLIC AND SUPREME COURT STATES THAT AN BATON IS MADE TO STRIKE AND A FLASHLIGHT IS NOT. ITS STUPID.

THEY ALSO PREACH LIABILITY ALMOST IN EVERY STATE. MOST STATES BAN OFFICERS FROM USING A CHOKE HOLD (MINUS CHOKING THE PERSON). MOST STATES ONLY WANT US USING PRESSURE POINTS WHICH DONT WORK ON ALOT OF PEOPLE OR PEOPLE ON SOME DRUGS. SOCIETY MAKES IT SO HARD BECAUSE EVERYTIME, A SUSPECT GETS HURT, ITS HOLLERED THAT THE POLICE ABUSED THEM.

NO GRANTED OVER THE YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN ALOT OF ABUSIVE COPS AND STILL ARE SOME TODAY. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST PUNISHING THE ABUSIVE ONES (IF THEY DO THAT), THEY PUNISH EVERY COP BY PLACING MORE STIPULATIONS ON US. I NEVER HEAR THE PUBLIC CRY OUT TO THE SUPREME COURT OR MEDIA WHEN AN OFFICER IS SERIOUSLY HURT OR KILL...SO WHY IS IT DONE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THATS LIFE AND I DEAL WITH AND AM STILL ABLE TO DO MY JOB.

I HAVE BEEN IN MANY SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE HURT (EXTENSIVELY AT TIMES) AND I COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF IT IF I RESORTED TO STREET FIGHTING TECHNIQUES, BUT THE COURTS AND SOCIETY LOOKS AT IT AS STREET VIOLENCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT THOUGH, ILL DUE WHAT I GOT TO DO...HOPEFULLY.

THIS IS WHY SO MANY COPS DONT STAY IN THIS LINE OF WORK..NO COMMUNITY SUPPORT MAJORITY OF THE TIME. THEY EITHER LEAVE THE PROFESSION, COMMITT SUICIDE (SAD, BUT TRUE), OR ARE FIRED BECAUSE OF PUBLIC OUTRAGE.
Reply:they r prepared to fight...but they cant like beat ur *** with punches till ur bleading....they have a limit
Reply:Because it takes 10 plus years to be a martial arts master, and the police have to train a officer in less than 6 months to go out onto the streets.

Next they can not hit a suspect the ways martial arts people do, that would be excessive force and they would be sued.

And yes, to do an arrest, without using excessive force as viewed by the courts, it will take 3 or 4 officers.

And some poeple who are mental health, or on certain drugs, you can hit them with your ASP and they don't even notice it.

We had 6 officers trying to take down 1 man, they had to break his arm and a leg with ASPs before he fell to the ground, and even then he keep fighting.

Also with the large amounts of law suits, most officers hesitate, they don't strike first, so after the other person makes his first move, they are at the advantage.

I merely grabbed a suspect and pushed him against his car to cuff him, and I had a excessive force case filed against me.

Cops do not "fight" they are only to detain and arrest.
Reply:I don't think Master Jimmy Woo became a master studying for an hour a day, five days a week, for 6 months. It takes years of training to attain that level of skill.

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Wut type of fiting style is the most of effective and which one should i learn?

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and i dont want to take the fake kung fu karate and taikwon do **** i want real fighting

Wut type of fiting style is the most of effective and which one should i learn?
Not sure what you mean by "real fighting." The martial arts you mention as well as others can teach you a lot about technique as well as very useful moves and combinations all while conditioning your body and mind. There are also hapkido or aikido for grappling and joint locks. So, there is nothing "fake" about any of those. An individual who is proficient in any of those arts would be a very good fighter. You could also take the route of someone like Bruce Lee who found those arts limiting and developed his own style by transforming what he learned into something he found more useful. In any event, there is no "most effective" style of fighting in my opinion. It depends on the individual's skill in whatever style he knows.
Reply:I have recently started Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Sieto Karate. I know it's a long name but it's basically just Okinawan street fighting. I think it is the best style if you want real life fighting and defense techniques. It was developed by the people of Okinawa to defend themselves against the invading Japanese. and it has been improved for over 300 years! It includes the ten self defense moves that the navy seals incorporate into their training as well as training that teaches you to use anything as a weapon. As far as I can tell it is the most realistic and effective fighting style that exists. If you have any other questions my email is bfros454@yahoo.com.
Reply:Go to the hardware store and get PVC piping and foam pipe insulation. Make a few swords. Read some history about medieval warfare (movies always get this wrong). Get a friend who is interested in the same stuff, go out on the lawn and if you're not good enough you'll get thwacked in the head with a piece of foam covered PVC. "Practice makes perfect", after about a year you'll be able to kick anynone's butt (as long as he doesn't have a gun).

Have fun.
Reply:Mixing martial arts is the best way to defend yourself. Learn Muay Thai Kickboxing for close and ranged strikes...and Jujitsu for grappling and ground fighthing. Learn those two well, and you'll have nothing to worry about.
Reply:brazilian jiu jitsu/judo

ALL BETS IN -THE WINNER GETS 10 points?

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2 guys @ my school how are fighting , 1 is a close Friend and i want no his chances. AFTER THE FIGHT I WILL CHOOSE

THE YAHOO WINNER IF HE/SHE PREDICTS THE FIGHT eg- person A wins by k.o. because of punches or knees,i.e in detail

PERSON A

5''5

Very stong, can bench and squat more than in school.

Has lost to taller strickers but also beaten boxer.

He has a wrestling style im not sure what type . looks like judo or ju-jitsu and know a little boxing

PERSON B

5''7

Fast,knows how to fight ,he is known for he's karate or kung- fu.

he's been doing boxing for about 10 months

he is exlenent with his stricking

weight is 50-70 he' has alot of fight exp.

i'll try to post there post fight on you tube

ALL BETS IN -THE WINNER GETS 10 points?
I am going to take Person B will win this fight by knocking Person A out with a punch to the face
Reply:i reckon person B. he sounds harder.
Reply:its easy person A will win becoz he has a different types of fighting so person B can't sure where he will hit him but person A can make strategies as u said that person B fighting style is kung-fu or karate.
Reply:I am going for A - he's got a lower point of gravity (smaller) will be harder to knock down.

Also love the underdog
Reply:I am betting....that you need to get a life!
Reply:Person B will win by knocking Person A on his butt with a right cross
Reply:I'll go with B.
Reply:The guy with the darker hair will win.
Reply:person A takes the cake by a brutal ground and pound.
Reply:I'm betting this is a gigantic load of BS.
Reply:you lack enough sufficeint, and critical, information on person A for me to determine who would really win. We don't even know how much fight experience that A has.

If A is a wrestler, then B will win if he stays out of grab reach. However, if B gets too close or gets leg caught, B will trip him down into a grappling pin. The fight can only be ended in close quarters, so I say A wins via pin and maybe some punches to the pinned guy.
Reply:person B i thnking
Reply:Person B
Reply:The one who avoids the fight wins.
Reply:dee dee dee!
Reply:person 2 with an uppercut

What is the most talked about UFC fight.thats gruesome and bloody wuld jus lve ur mouth open after da fight..?

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i wanted to watch the most gruesom bloody and talked about UFC fight .. cuz one of the most anticapated fight for me was matt hugges and that kung fu guy jus dissapointed me..

What is the most talked about UFC fight.thats gruesome and bloody wuld jus lve ur mouth open after da fight..?
I really liked the first Forrest Griffen and Stephan Bonnar fight it made me a true fan of MMA. Highly recommend it to people that wants to see what UFC and/or MMA is all about.

flowers funeral

The gracie family?

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How come everytime there is Grace fighting someone who apparently knows some sort of kung fu, or striking technique, the striker always throws a really poor kick toward the knee of gracie and it's gonna get caught obviously and he'll go down, and then just be dominated.

They try to play it out like all martial arts that aren't bjj are going to use a lame *** poorly executed kick that wouldn't matter if it hit you or not. just look it up on youtube like gracie vs kung fu, or gracie vs some other karate, it's all lame lame kicks, and they get Tackled basically because of it. nobody punches!? or uses any sort of sprawling or avoidance? it seems really fake Like aikido demonstrations.

The gracie family?
You know why the kicks are lame on the video you watch?

It is because they know the reputation is they are going to get taken down. So they are very careful but in the end it does not matter because if you want to close the distance and get the take down against a stand up fighter you will. If you want to kick and I want to close there is nothing you can do except hope that that big kick takes me out the first time. If not you are on your back and I will win.

Your top wrestler at your local high school could most likely take down your stand up only fighter and pound him into submission most of time.

If all you have is your striking, with a good grappler coming after you what are the chances you can knock him out before he takes you down. Answer NOT GOOD.
Reply:They do punch, only when the gracie is already close, see the basics behind punching is that you need your weight going forward, and it looks like the kung fu guys were doing their best to avoid going forward because they were scared to get taken down, so instead they used kicks and started punching when gracie moves in

Good idea but the gracies are tough and could probably take a few kicks or punches so even though some punches probably landed they were still able to do a take down and once they were down it was gg

i dont know how you see these videos as Aikido demos, they look very real too me, It looked like the kung fu guy was trying to avoid, i mean he got pushed all the way back to the wall, but if someone is determained to take you down and you have no grapling exp whatsoever, trust me you will go down, especially if you are fighting the guys who invented the stuff!

I think the whole point of the video is if you dont have any grapling exp then you wont know what to do, here the guys knew that their opponent is a grapler but still had trouble, lesson = learn grapling!
Reply:I think a lot of Gracie matches are rigged. Same with a lot of muay thai fights. If you watch either of these styles fight anything else they always dominate and it's always because of stupid moves by the other stylist. If you watch more than a handful of these types of "matches" you're sitting there thinking something smells fishy.
Reply:I think a lot of it is because of the legend Royce Gracie had built up over such a short time. Like Mike Tyson in the late 80s. Nobody thought to sit back and jab him and tie him up every time he came up for an uppercut and make him go into late rounds until after about 5 years of his competing. Once someone, Buster Douglass, figured out the "key" to Tyson, everyone had a good chance of beating him. Just don't get into a tough guy, punch it out, testosterone laced, duel with Iron Mike, and you can win.

With Gracie Jiu Jitsu, nobody had seen this kind of fighting for years. tournement Karate was king, and it was ruled by easily grabbed, non snapping side kicks. Shootboxers did much better against Gracie, but all things considered, Gracie was in much better fighting shape than everyone he went up against. Some of the guys were in their late 30s and 40s, running dojos that were loosing students, and tried to do what they could with their limited ability, and their lack of understanding of the rules of the MMA game. They came in with an assumption of modern rules and etiquette, and so they lost. Once people realized the violence of the Gracie game, they started beating him. At least as much as he was beating them. Gracie was still an excellent physical specimen and represented his martial art well.
Reply:Because most fighters facing the Gracies are trying to keep a distance pleasing to them, and the Gracies are trying to close that gap. Kick Boxing will naturally stand, and BJJ will try to close the gap and take you down, how the styles differ.

Thai clinches have done very well at forcing BJJ to stand and take a beating.
Reply:Type in Sakuraba and watch him dismantle every Gracie he fights. Rickson was basically afraid to fight him cause he didn't want to wreck his perfect record. Saku isn't even that good a striker, he just doesn't show the BJJ as much respect as others do.
Reply:Maybe the gracies are actually just that good? I mean. is it the gracies fault that that kung fu guy threw a lame kick? No. Should the kung fu guy have done better? Yes. Its too bad because those videos on you tube end up being the end all word on which martial art is better. I cant find any video on youtube that shows a gracie losing a fight. Its either pure skill or a very good marketing technique.
Reply:The Royce vs. Kung Fu guy you see on the videos was Jason Delucia. It was taken from the "Gracies in Action" video.

This was about 7 months prior to the first UFC, Jason Delucia had heard about the Gracie challenge and went down to Brasil to fight him.

He got worked easily, primarily because he was a Kung Fu guy who had never heard of grappling.

I don't think it had to do with any kind of known reputation as to these people's kicks.

Keep in mind aside from a few styles, Kung Fu's kicks are pretty poor in general. No one who is of any caliber of talent will throw a high kick right off. (Those kind of things have to be set up). So naturally when a person is beyond punching range you are going to start with a low kick.

However keep in mind that in the time frame that most of the Gracie videos were done, they were going against traditional stylists with no grappling background.

Avoidance isn't easy, Sprawling takes some sort of background and it wasn't in 90 percent of "striking" arts.

Even really good kickboxers were getting worked by grapplers. Patrick Smith, Orlando Weit, etc.

Sakuraba has what you can consider Gracie Kryptonite: Good wrestling.

A good wrestler or Judoka would give fits to most BJJ artists simply because of an ability to control the takedown, and thus control position.

Kimo Leopoldo gave Royce a hard time until he slipped up and got caught.

It's simple, at the time Gracies had a very effective style because they practiced it in Vale Tudo matches constantly and refined it. They then fought people who had never truly been in any kind of match such as that and beat them.

Some arts have now evolved because of that and work some sort of grappling into their style (wisely so) others have tried to ignore those lessons and stick to their own opinions.

"Well if it was a street fight I would have had him" type of mentality instead of correcting what they were doing wrong.

I can promise you if you have never been in a No Hold Barred competetion against another skilled individual. Your first couple of kicks are going to be timid. (There is a feeling out process in most all fights) the problem was, those initial feeling out kicks didn't get far because Gracies were good at closing the gap and getting the takedown.

It's hard to throw a full bore kick straight out the gate with another fighter. You set yourself up to be countered or taken off balance if you miss. That is why there is a jab in boxing, and low kicks in Martial Arts (they aren't full committal type of moves, you are able to feel out your range with them)

I think the Gracies were the real deal back in the day, and are still great fighters. I think that they had a very effective style that caught people off guard who had never fought that way.

Now people are aware of it, and train to be able to fight in that realm, and I think that is a good thing.

It doesn't take away from their legitimacy. They showed the world that a pure grappler can easily beat a pure striker, and changed how a lot of people viewed unarmed combat.
Reply:If they are so lame, why don't you just challenge one of the Gracies? They have been known to accept challenges from idiots.

As for the other posters: Comparing the Gracies to Mike Tyson is just plain silly, especially claiming that no one ever challenged Tyson until Buster Douglas. Douglas was probably one of the lamest fights Tyson ever accepted, which is why he chased the Japanese girls more than he saw the gym in Tokyo.

There is nothing rigged. When people are good, they make it look easy and the challenger looks ineffective. Mike Tyson made everyone look bad.

If Mike Tyson was 24 again, he would go through all of the heavyweights yet again with little resistance. This is unlike the Gracies, because in order for the MMA guys to compete in the UFC, they all learned the Gracie Style of JJ.

Finally, Rickson afraid to tarnish his record? Uhm, the guy was in his forties, when the wrestler fought the other Gracies. Anyone who disses Rickson, the greatest of the MMA types, is definitely a Gracie hater and can be discredited in any future discussions.

Who would win in a fair fight? The Dalai Lama or Ghandi?

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Given that the Dalai Lama is accomplished in Kung Fu and Ghandi well versed in the brutal art of street fighting? (The winner is the first one to be knocked unconscious)

Who would win in a fair fight? The Dalai Lama or Ghandi?
well they would NEVER resolve to physical volence so...they would have to have a rap showdown,a dance contest, drag race ,or something?????
Reply:One hand slapping.
Reply:Dalai Lama! He weighs more and he's taller.
Reply:Dalai Lama, he is wiser and can distract Ghandi.

Wait, Ghandi is dead.!
Reply:Chuck Norris
Reply:Ther are or were both quite frail, I think it would be a boring fight
Reply:Neither. They would not get into it in the first place.
Reply:Since neither would fight because it is against their beliefs, the first on to drop dead loses. Ghandi is a hunger striking pro, so the Dalai Lama would lose.
Reply:They wouldn't fight.
Reply:Adi Da knows "The Dualing Crane Comes Down"
Reply:They would never fight. That's like asking Mother Teresa and the Virgin Mary to duke it out! Whoa, they're both dead!

We should put Tony Blair and wimpy GWB in the ring and make them duke it out. More like it .
Reply:The Dalia Lama would learn the futility of violence by striking repeatedly the Indian man of peace, Gandhi. Although Gandhi's concubines would retailiate stating, "Your *** is curry." Then the Dalia would get pummeled into oneness by a bunch of teenage Indian girls. Your winner Ghandi!!!!!!
Reply:DALAI LAMA AKA GOD

Do you think MMA fighters/ UFC destroy the beauty of martial arts?

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It is good that people practice mixed martial arts wich is better than beeing limited by one type. But when you think of martial arts fighting, you think of 2 guys in their style uniform fighting swiftly, ( not exactly like the old movies but kinda like it) I mea arts like wing chun, karate, espacially kung fu etc. But then u watch an mma fight/ufc and you see 2 half naked guys just wearing shorts and pounding at each other like 2 beast in a bar fight. I repeat i am not hating, i am just saying that for mee seeing them makes me think as martial arts getting ugly, not appealing. It is good thing tho, just makes ma look ugly, like i dont even wanna watch it and learn it. and its not just the shorts, its also the ugly way they fight and the fact that they almost all look the same.

Do you think MMA fighters/ UFC destroy the beauty of martial arts?
I don't think that MMA fighters make MAs look bad at all. If anything, MMAs makes it look real and aplicable. It's beautiful in it's own right. And you're right, it doesn't look exactally like it does in movies, but that's what those are, movies. In movie the fights are coreographed like a musical coreographs a song and dance routine in the movie or on stage. The reason why in a MMA fight, the fighters are hald naked, is that it allows a more even playing field and less things for an opponent to grab on to. What do you think MA arts were originally? do you think the just got together to dance? I'm sure it would look just as pretty as a MMA fight with it's own respectable differences. It wouldn't be like your pretty movie dancing. That's why there are different schools that focus on different aspects of MAs. People have different tasts. you see to guys rolling around on the ground beating each other. I see a martial arsts trying to obtain a mount by bypassing his opponents guard and obtain a dominant possition. At the same time, trying not to allow the guy on the bottom sweep him and take his possition on top. You see a couple guys on the ground holding hands. I see a fighter trying for an armbar or a kumorah while the other is trying to counter and get a rear nake choke. You see to guys hgging on the fence. I see 2 martail artist in the clinch trying for a take down while giving knee and elbow strikes to eachother. Just like point fighting, just like in the movies, etc there is an art to fighting and it's just as beautiful as any other application of martail arts. Just like watching Chuck Liddell give a left to Rampages ribs while Rampage counters with a heavy right to Chuck's left jaw. I'm sorry it happend to Chuck, but to me....that was beautiful.
Reply:Not really.

I view MMA fighters and UFC as something entirely different and seperate from traditional martial arts.
Reply:I understand your point, but it is more realistic then point fighting.
Reply:To be quite honest - yes. When watching UFC and MMA fights, that's what they look like, fights. There is no "style" to speak of. I'd rather watch karate vs. tkd, or judo, or whatever, like UFC was in the beginning.
Reply:I do not think it destroys the beauty, I think it actually makes you appeciate different styles and beauty involved in other martial arts. I understand your point but I just feel like once you watch the UFC and then you watch someone doing karate you appreciate the beauty more because you can see how complex, wide ranging and diverse martial arts really are and what its all about. I think someone who truly cares about martial arts will look at both and see beauty in all aspects of ma. I love to watch MMA, I am a huge fan and watch as much as possible but I also get great pleasure out of watching traditional martial arts in practice as well, their is beauty in all aspects of the game.
Reply:Well my friend, you will get varied opinions about all this, but here is what it comes down to.

Aside from a few Martial Arts (mainly forms of Shaolin Kung Fu), Martial Arts weren't meant for beauty or their aesthetic value. They were meant for fighting.

Most of the outfits you associate Martial Arts with came as a tradition (the Gi, as originally based off the Kimono) or traditional dress at the time of the Art's foundation.

Many forms of Kung Fu were meant as a means towards spiritual enlightenment, focus, effeciency of motion and breath, and tuning your body for oneness. Even those were not meant to be beautiful, but were meant to draw in and center yourself while disciplining yourself mentally, spiritually, and physically.

While maintaining the tradition of these arts is something I think needs to occur. (Someone needs to maintain this culture, as it was wonderous and fascinating) I again feel the need to stress that Martial Arts were meant for fighting. Which in itself is not beautiful.

Sadly, when people think of Martial Arts fighting (especially outsiders) they think of the movies. Choreographed movements that are not only ineffecient but done so to look better. (Honestly, martial arts fight choreography is an artform in itself).

Martial Arts were based in violence, ugly, brutal violence. The ugly way you think of MMA fighters, is good in some ways. Because that is what fighting is, damn ugly.

Most athletes in some sense look the same, (i.e. in shape).

Fighting is ugly.

I think that is something you are seeing, Martial Arts aren't meant for aesthetics, it just so happens many of the traditional Martial Arts appear that way. The Katas and Forms and the like. (Keep in mind, Kata and Forms are not meant for fighting, they are meant to prepare and condition your body for those movements in a fight) So yes, kicking the air looks beautiful as someone does it with grace and balance. Kicking someone in the head usually isn't quite a pretty.

As I said, I don't think the culture of these traditional martial arts should be lost. (Much the same as there are still katas, and even JJ based Katas in Judo, that one learns at the highest levels). However effectiveness in combat requires ugly brutality, and blood, sweat, and tears. Martial Arts are meant to be combat effective, not aesthetic.

I think there are traditional schools that are in the strictest sense traditional (i.e. hard sparring, hard body conditioning, actually fighting).

Then there are traditional schools that embrace a different side of what they feel is traditional, and adhere to the more friendly aesthetically pleasing, kid friendly, money making way. And try to further sell the mysticism sometimes associated with martial arts.

The public perception, and even the perception of many Martial Artists who embraced this mentality of Asianophile mystic type of tradition is that Martial Arts are the key to unlocking some great inner energy and power. That it's point is in betterment of yourself and while they will claim that they are even more effective than professional fighter in terms of street combat, due to their spiritual oneness and discipline, they are in fact, incredibly ineffective due to absolutely no experience in adrenaline based situations or actual combat.

The old masters fought people constantly, including having to fight for their lives many times. That was their secret to effectiveness, their movements and training methods were tremendous helps (katas, forms, conditioning) but it was their constant experience in fighting that truly made them deadly and respected, and garnered them disciples.

True Martial Arts fighting (look at Wing Chun master Emin Bozetep taking on William Cheung. (videos of it all over youtube) two self proclaimed true Wing Chun masters. Watch what it actually looks like.

Look at the early UFC and what it actually looked like when Martial Arts masters took on each other. There have been plenty of no holds mixed martial arts (Open) tournaments going on way before then. Again it looked more like kickboxing and wrestling then what you think Martial Arts based fighting would look like.

Unfortunately the perception of Martial Arts fighting comes from Choreography, and old point fighting Karate tournaments. Actual fighting even between two Martial Arts masters looks much differently, (and more often like an untrained brawl).

I think there is something to be said about the beauty and aesthetic aspect to many traditional Martial Arts, and I am glad that some embrace that and keep that part of the culture alive. Some places are great and blending both, the traditional hard training, hard sparring, actual combat oriented, combined with forms, traditions, etc.

I think MMA is the closest embodiement to what Martial Arts actually used to be. (aside from uniform) Many Martial Arts were based on fighting with weapons, or in armor, etc. The shorts in MMA are just a means of advantage for the fighters against each other.

Older tournaments simply wore the garb of the day. Though some did indeed feature less uniforms than the others. (The Olympics in ancient time were done in the nude)

So in my opinion the beauty (aesthetic, ineffective) aspect of Martial Arts is not diminished as that caters to a different ideology, one of cultural preservation, whereas the UFC/MMA caters to unarmed combat effectiveness.

It is infact more complex and strategic than most single Martial Arts.

It all depends on your definition of Martial Arts and what they mean. To some it is the preservation of a culture, spiritual enlightenment, and adhering to certain principles of tradition. To others Martial Arts is about bettering yourself and your ability to fight, and through that you gain enlightenment of self, as well as discipline and confidence.

I think both sides have their pluses and minuses, and neither really diminish each other. But perhaps shows each side where they are lacking.

MMA/UFC types shows many other arts what they are lacking combat wise.

Traditional MA shows what the UFC/MMA types are lacking in Spiritually, Centered, and Calmness side.

Some people are lucky enough to have both.

*edit* Sorry I know I already wrote a book. Yupagee will probably get best answer for agreeing with you, but he is a traditionalist. Disregard below, as it is strictly for Yupagee's answer.

There is a hundred times more discipline and respect in the average MMA fighter than there is in 90 percent of traditional Martial Artists in America.

These guys wake up at the crack of dawn, and train until after dark. The eat a regimented diet, live a regimented lifestyle. And aside from a few pros, do it for very little money. They run, lift weights, work on technique, work on technique some more, work with a variety of disciplines and coaches. (Almost all of them are cross training with a boxing coach, a muay thai coach, a brazilian jujitsu coach, etc) They are cramming in two or three times the discipline, not to mention the respect they have for each other and coaches.

Can't tell you how many power hungry disrespectful 14 year old black belts I have seen in Traditional Arts. Or how many damn disrespectful punk kids I have seen in tournaments. For that matter, I have seen and see in great abundance here in Yahoo answers, 30 and 40 year old black belt traditional Martial Artists that are disrespectful to any other art than their own. Or any art that actually engages in combat.

Saying MMA lacks discipline or respect is ignorant of the fighters, the sport, and what it actually encompasses. You train one art, 3 days a week. They train 3 or 4 arts six or seven times a week. They bow to many Senseis, and treat each other with respect. Not to mention the average McDojo traditional teacher probably makes more than 80 percent of the MMA fighters. Aside from a few big names, most pull in maybe 20 grand from fighting,(10 grand for a UFC pro undercard fight, and get to do that maybe twice a year) and they have to beg for sponsorship.

One thing a MMA fighter does have in truckloads in discipline and respect. Something I see lacking in many traditional schools full of fat white "Masters" who insist on being called Sensei, Sempai, or Master even outside of the dojo. Who demand respect but do little to earn it.

I always respect your opinion Yupagee, but saying they lack discipline and respect is pretty damn ignorant.
Reply:Beauty, if you mean traditional bs that dosen't work. IF that is how you define beauty then yes.

MMA has show all the "traditional" martial artist how ineffective there styles are in real combat. That upsets most and they defend it by crying about how mma isn't a martial art or how it lacks spiritualness or what ever. In reality it has show you that tradition is weak and worthless in the streets, plain and simple.
Reply:I agree 110%. MMA lacks the discipline %26amp; respect of any true Martial Art.
Reply:No it just points out weaknesses of differnet martial arts.

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Answering Joshua M's question?

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Ok first of all you should make your email adress able to be reached through here so its easier. Now as far as the Zui Quan goes it is very hard to find a school that teaches Zui Quan exclusivly and even harder to find one that knows what they are doing. I advise you do what I do. Get a good solid mix of martial arts one of them being Zui Quan. If you are willing to move you could come train where I do which its a little expensive due to how much property costs in florida but my instructor has one multiple world championships and is well versed in jujitsu , eagle claw kung fu, muy thai, zui quan, monkey kung fu, tiger claw kung fu, and a little bit in samurai sword fighting. However odds are you wont want to move so I would advise trying to find a good school that just features zui quan as one of their styles.

One thing I can't stress enough is that you should find a school that isnt in it for the money and is truly about the art. Also make sure they do realistic sparring

Answering Joshua M's question?
no comment.

Who would you choose to win a fight?

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Angelina Jolie or Cameron Diaz?

I would have to say Cam because She knows how to do kung-fu and Ange only knows how to fight with guns and knives...

not only that I hate Ange for what she said to Brad about Shiloh

Who would you choose to win a fight?
angelina can kick her a.s.s.
Reply:cam would win.

i agree with you about the shiloh and brad part. i read what she said and i was like what a *****.
Reply:i'll put my money on angelina

she's little and tough
Reply:Cameron is mexican right? She'll beat the SH*T outta jolie! Like i've said all alone, all angie 's got going for her is that bottom lip hangin!
Reply:Who cares who wins..it'd be just great to watch.
Reply:i would pick ang but what did she say about shiloh?

EDIT!!!

omg i cant believe she did that..ok i pick cameron now..i hope she kicks her ***!
Reply:Angelina she could beat Cameron up and swallow her hole with those huge lips of hers!!!
Reply:Jolie, Diaz to girly
Reply:Angie is a freak. 'Course she'd win. Cameron is just a skank *****!
Reply:Cameron Diaz

Where can i find uncostly kungfu/martial arts movies?

2009-11-12T18:26:00.002-08:00

not looking for 'comical' kung fu-just the real action hard core fighting stuff

Where can i find uncostly kungfu/martial arts movies?
Amazon Marketplace, Ebay, half.com, deepdiscountdvd.com are places you might check.
Reply:You might try Hong Kong Cinemas.

They have a huge selection of the old Shaw Brothers movies like the Five Deadly Venoms (a real classic).

Buddha Was Indian Not Oriental?

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Again i dont know why so many people think buddha was chineese and people are so misinformed. Buddhism is a great religon from indian origins and the oriental people made the statue of buddha look oriental with the slanted eyes and the short stubby nose I mean my god he looks oriental. And holy crouching tiger hidden dragon they also turned our beloved religon into one big kung fu movie. Watching movie after movie about fighting and how buddhism has nothing to do with fighting or special magical powers, I mean this is sick. What do you people think?????????????????

Buddha Was Indian Not Oriental?
No, he was Asian. People in Northern India are mixed because Nepal and Burma is right there. It was only 2500 years ago and they knew what he looked like and made pictures and statues of his face. Trace all the records back to both India and Asia and all the pictures resemble an Asian person.
Reply:well acually buddhism was involed with martial arts..

a long long time ago the first monk of the first buddhist temple were being bullied on..then came a person.. in vietnamese his name was Dat Ma Dai Su, and he tought them a fighting style and that style still lastes untill today Report It

Reply:They also make Jesus look western european and I have seen indian people with oriental looking features.
Reply:yeah i think it's a great religion....nd i don't think that he is chinese..
Reply:he was mexican
Reply:Sorry about your confusion little dharmist. Is it not a habit of people to place those things they find most familiar, into a reference of thier own concept? In other words: Chinese Buddhists place the Buddha in a chinese reference, Indian Buddhists place him in an Indian appearance and context, Tibetans into a Tibetan context aand so on and so forth. Considering this minor but common habit, are you focusing on the man or the message?

Buddhism has provided many useful influences on many parts of the world and in many ways: The Old Khmer empire (the City of Ankhor is a 'Buddhist' city- but the face of the Buddha is Cambodian, not Indian) Look up "The Lotus Sutra" a Japanese study.

You should also understand one other detail: Most of the martial arts stem from the adventures, at least roughly mythologically, of one man The Bodhi Dharma, an Indian Buddhist monk, who travelled from the Indian subcontinent through Tibet into China and even to Japan and Okinawa.

it is He who is credited with both the beginning of the Shaolin Monastery's history of martial arts, and the birth of Okinawan-style practice and study. The Japanese called him Daruma.

One should be aware of one thing in Buddhism's history: sometimes one must do what one thinks of as the unthinkable when confronted by the nearly impossible: On Okinawa, the local people were being visiouly oppressed by Japanese warlords from the big island (this is way long before the shogunate and Japan's unification). The people were not even allowed metal to make tools to harvest and grow grain. They were less even than slaves-and valued as much . After much serious thought and meditation (the story says 12 years) Bodhi Dharma (Daruma) emerged from the cave with a decision: telling the people around him that if they could not find weapons, then they must learn to become one, he broke a rock with his fist.

Buddhism has done two really great things for people: It has taught them a peaceful way of life, and also shown a way, when needed, to insure that peace can be maintained.

While the whole crouching tiger thing is a bit much-but such are the realms of fantasy, as much as Robin Hood placing two arrows into the same spot on a target, as I have asked before: What is more important; the messenger or the message?
Reply:Buddha is a state, not a person-even though there were many "Buddhas" throughout history.

You know that, of course?

There were, and still are, Buddhist monks that train in Martial Arts-some were highly prized as mercenaries.

You will find a long and rich History-in the Library.

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Reply:You are absolutely correct. Buddha was of Indian descent (the country India)

Now Zen Buddhism DOES trace it's roots back to China.

Zen goes back to chan (which means seated meditation), and they borrowed from both philosophies Taoism and Buddhism. It was named Zen after this form of meditation was taken to Japan.
Reply:"The details of the Buddha's life are not known for certain, but most scholars are in agreement that he was an actual historical figure who lived in northern India around the 5th century BCE.

Before the Buddha was born into this world as Shakyamuni, he was a bodhisattva in the Tushita heaven (home of the contented gods). His name there was Shvetaketu ("White Banner"). From here he witnessed the dark ages engulfing the human realm, leading to its spiritual impoverishment. Moved to compassion like a true bodhisattva, he vowed to manifest himself in the sentient world and relieve people from their sufferings.

The Lalitavistara (1st cent. AD) says that Buddha himself selected the time, place, and caste of his birth. He finally short listed King Shudhodhana and his wife, Queen Mayadevi, rulers of the Shakya (Lion) clan, as his future parents. This generous couple was well known throughout the land for their just and noble bearing. Scriptures assert that Buddha chose a king as his father since the royal caste was more respected that the priestly one. It indeed seems strange that the Buddha, who never believed in the caste system, was so particular in the choice of a Brahmin or Kshatriya family for his own birth. In fact, it was precisely to show the futility of the notion of high-birth as an aid in spiritual salvation that this choice was made.

Wandering in his search for enlightenment, Buddha came to a pleasant hermitage by a lovely stream, where, for six years, he joined five mendicants in a way of discipline based on progressively severe fasting. He ate a single grain of rice for each of the first two years, drank a single drop of water for each of the second two years, and took nothing at all during the last two. Consequently, his bones stuck out like a row of spindles, and when he touched his stomach, he could almost feel his spine. His hair fell out and his skin became withered.

Having gained enlightenment, Gautama came to be called Shakyamuni, or the silent lion, indicating the explosive potential he carried within himself. He first went up to Sarnath near Varanasi where he met the five disciples with whom he had previously traversed the path of asceticism. Though they had deserted him after their failed experiment, the unearthly glow from his body now attracted them. Hearing his discourse, they became his first followers.

Traveling great distances to disseminate his teachings, Buddha finally reached the city of Kushinagara, where he asked his disciples to spread a couch for him in a grove. He lay there, reclining on his right side, facing west, with his head supported by his hand. Shakyamuni realized clearly that death was approaching. Towards midnight of the same day, the event known in Buddhist terminology as the Parinirvana, or "Final Nirvana," took place. It was a full-moon night and also his eightieth birthday. The Enlightened One passed through progressively higher planes of meditation until he attained entry into Parinirvana."

this is a story about the life of buddha shakyamuni - historical buddha... even more fascinating is fact that every human being (asian or not) has the buddha nature, which means everyone is buddha potentially... experiencing it in everyday life is called enlightenment...

flowers baby

Why do priest wear a black and color belts belt ?

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can they fight tie Quan do or Kung Fu ?

Why do priest wear a black and color belts belt ?
Their dandruff is under control.

Do Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate birthdays and pagan holidays? Also do you see hypocrisy in this organization?

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Here is an example of what I am referring to:

A worldly person, obviously not one of Jehovah's Witnesses asked "My birthday is in 3 months, Can I get a star?"

A witness, though I am under the understanding that witnesses steer clear of the celebration of holidays, birthdays, %26amp; they also steer clear of "joking with the world and are to watch the type of jokes they laugh at/with", %26amp; witnesses are not supposed to endorse but steer clear of fighting clubs such as Judo, Karate, Kung Fu, etc., because these type clubs practice death moves and perpetuate violence that will kill another human being...right?

So the supposed witness responds to her almost immediately with this:

"I wanna see you get jump kicked by Chuck Norris", then later tries to cover it up and make excuses by stating "Oh, I wasn't serious", blah.

Aren't Jehovah's Witnesses not supposed to joke around with subjects that are supposedly opposed by God-I mean does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this organization?

Do Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate birthdays and pagan holidays? Also do you see hypocrisy in this organization?
Do we strive to follow the Bible and not participate in pagan things?? Yes. Do we celebrate Birthdays?? No. Are we perfect by any means?? No.

Now as for being a Witness, I personally only know, as far as I know, 1 Witness on here, ME.

Are their hypocrites in the world?? Sure. Sadly they exist most everywhere. Meanwhile, that is part of the reason for disiplinary procedures like disfellowshipping. Meanwhile one thing we are criticized for on here is disfellowshipping.
Reply:So are you Char or Adara? Report It

Reply:Jehovah witnesses do not celebrate anything but the Death of Christ. And yes I know that there is hypocrisy in that oraganization. People do not adhere easily to 'not celebrating'. I especially feel it at Chrismas. They act as if they don't care but they do care. I used to be a Jehovah witness but it lasted only a couple of months. I need joy in my life!
Reply:ive heard about that.. that Jehova's witnesses dont celebrate anything. kinda boring. but i dont know for a fact.. about hypocrites.. theyre not only in Jehova's witness.. they are everywhere.. all around the world. we even become hypocrites at times.. but yea.. is that you in your pic.. if so what happened?
Reply:HUH? Most people know why we don't celebrate birthdays and pagan holidays. Even if you heard one witness say: "I wanna see you get jump kicked by Chuck Norris," are you implying that they ALL talk like that?

So, what's your point?
Reply:I used to live next door to a family of JW's and they should of had their children removed from their care but never did....the father used to be yelling at the children at 2 and 3 in the morning about the bible ~ the children never went outside and were home schooled ~ AN THIS is supposed to be a better way of living??? Yeah Right!!~ Those kids grew up and left home at the first oppertuinity and got involved with drugs and were the problem of the whole town. The family was just plain creepy!!

Looks like your guy( avatar) got off better than a local aboriginal over here~ he was killed by a maniac police officer and this guy Mulrunji Doomagee, was not even drunk or breaking any law at the time!! The cop just had a superiority complex~ the cop was tried at the corroners request ~ and guess what?? He never got convicted ~ surprise surprise! And this cop~ Chris Hurley was retired with full honors! The system sucks here in Aus too my friend!

Ariel
Reply:True we don't have a share in things of pagan origin.

We do celebrate, baby showers, weddings, anniversaries of such, graduations, baptism, and bar-B-q's are always Yumm~O!!!

It's wholesome gatherings we look for to attend.

EDIT:

I see no hypocrisy, what~so~ever; EVER.

I have been to Halls from Cali~Fla., and have Never seen, heard of, or experienced anything even remotely close.

To what u r trying to say.

Now, the man did say he was joking.

Whether, or not it was funny or not,

he already realizes the gravity of the situation.

And DID Apoligize, Already.

Personally,

I myself would like to offend some1 back

w/ a slap in the face, As They R Doing To Me.

When some1 that knows;

I don't do these Disgusting! things!,

says happy b-day, 2 me.

BUT, I Do Not!

it would NOT please my God, Jehovah

nor His Son Jesus, the example for me to follow.

{ And then of course, the person will say

"I thought ur a Jehovah's Witness?"

This (part) goes to all Christians.

That ppl think we are not human, not prone to mistakes,

we are not perfect, %26amp; yes, while we do work @ living our lives according to God's will. We do stumble. We do make mistakes. But a person who is not Christian,

will attempt to wash our face in it. All the while, saying

"I thought u r a Christian?" }

It's Outright %26amp; Downright, Rude %26amp; DisRespectful.

Being that the person Already knows me,

%26amp; that I don't do these things.

Is intentionally, trying to offend me or get a rise out of me.

It is So Obvious!! Sooo....

I just give them a 'look' %26amp; I say;

"I thought you loved me?,

Why would u say such a thing to me?"

If the person doesn't know me:

I tell the person, "No, Thank You, I do not involve myself in such wickedness." Or I say "No, thank you. I don't celebrate b-days." Or "No, thank you, we don't do that."

Kimmy, it's true 1 of our brothers was joking around,

%26amp; said that.

He posted a Q, here concerning the whole fiasco.

It was ummm.?...brb...it was JR.,

%26amp; he said he was only joking...in the comment.

2nd edit;

Champagne, I read the whole digusting story.

These men (%26amp; I use the word, lightly) ought to have done to them what they did to this young man. I was gonna ask, "what'd he do, get caught DWB?", but I read the story 1st. Have faith, Jehovah Will Repay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a God of Justice.

This Is Exactly Why I Don't Trust the Police!

I Don't.

And I have told them that to their face!

When my dghtr's b/f was taken in. They took her in for Q'ing. I know the law, a minor cannot b Q'ed w/out an attorney or a parent present. I told them to release her NOW. Of course they didn't, %26amp; told me bc of her age, (17) they were allowed lead way. "No, I told them YOU are Not, NOW, release her." Which of course, they didn't. And I told the 2 that were there w/ me %26amp; my husband, "this is why ppl, don't trust the police,

I don't know YOU, I don't know what kind of man u r; and I know that by law u r allowed to lie."

They said he was trying to break into the camera store, next door to the laundrymat, where they were doing their laundry. The kid was not; in fact, he was about to start a job as a computer programmer the very next day. Which of course, he lost the job. He was held for 30 days.

Got in front of the judge, the judge said

"what did he have on his person?"

Response~"a box of clorox 2"

judge~"release him"

End of the court side of this story.
Reply:I'd like to see the link where this person said that seeing the person getting jump-kicked. People tend to make things up.
Reply:OK do you know that this person was a witness. people can be anything on line. as for how you felt at kingdom halls well all people do dumb thing at times. you should not be at the kingdom hall for the people so much but more for Jehovah.
Reply:I am afraid that I do not understand your question at all. Exactly what is it, please, that you are asking?

Are you inquiring about celebrations? Or about joking? Or about hypocrisy? Or about jump kicks?

As you relate to us, one Witness desires to see you jump-kicked by Chuck Norris and you feel that this affords evidence upon which to infer that all 6.7 million Jehovah's Witnesses are full of hypocrisy? Do I understand that correctly?

Hannah J Paul
Reply:This is why some people hide their Q's and A's.No one wants to be nit-picked JW or not. Like Hannah and some of the others said you can't judge a whole religion or it's worshipers on one person that set an off the mark comment. JW's do hold them self to a higher standard but it doesn't make them perfect. I don't know what religion you are but what if someone said all ________ are like this because one acted this way, it's as bad as any other bias towards a group of people.It's funny to me how apostates will try to use any little thing they can find as their soapbox to say how much they hate Witnesses.

May Jah bless!
Reply:I have to say that Jehovah's Witnesses are imperfect humans, just like all the rest of the humans on this earth. Have I seen unchristian like behavior from some of them? In all honesty, yes. Have I ever behaved in an unchristian manner? Unfortunately, yes.

We are all imperfect and fall short of God's requirements from time to time, but as a whole, Jehovah's people try very hard to live up to the standards outlined in the Bible. And as a whole, Jehovah's Witnesses are known worldwide for the love and unity in their brotherhood. Your issue sounds to me more like a personality clash. The other thing is, you can find anything, including prejudice, real or imagined, if you look hard enough. I also am a firm believer that the congregation is what "you" make it. If you are prejudiced, guess what, you are going to find? If you are loving and warm, guess what you are going to receive?

But ultimately, as for me, I worship Jehovah, not people. It is my love for Jehovah that keeps me worshiping him. And as Psalms 130:3 brings out, "If errors were what you watch, O Jah, O Jehovah, who could stand?" Jehovah overlooks our errors, we should try to do the same of others. 1Peter 4:8- Above all things, have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.
Reply:Yes, it is true that any who claim to worship the true God should stand out as different from the world around them because of doing their very best to live by bible principles. This does not mean that they are perfect or that they will not occasionally err. This is especially so in our use of words. James 3:2 says "For we all stumble many times. If anyone does not stumble in word, this one is a perfect man, able to bridle also his whole body."

Why is it that you see hypocrisy in an ebtire organizaton based upon one person (who may or may not be a Witness) who stumbled.

I studied the Bible once, with a woman whose husband was strongly opposed at first to her studying wiht us. Eventually he eased and even began litening in on her study, though not participating. He came to a few meetings and was amicable with other Witnesses he came in contact with. After a while I asked him what he thought about what his wife was learning. He said he believed it to be the truth. I was surprised. I asked if he too would like to study. He said no, he preferred to simply observe. He "observed" for quite some time. Meanwhile his wife symbolized her dedication When I asked again if he wanted to study, I got pretty much the same response. I asked "what is it you are looking for?" He said "to be honest, I am looking for faults" I have never forgotten that conversation because it opened my eyes to the fact that some look for flaws and faults despite knowing that this is the truth. Of course they will find them because each and every one of us is imperfect. We do our very best, but we still err. Thank's to the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus, we can be forgiven.
Reply:JWs are recognized as one of the leading cults. So I'm not at all suprised their org is rife with hypocrisy. He sounds very rude and immature.

Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson: Who would Win?

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In a street-fight, no gloves, no holds barred, full-contact, no weapons, in their primes, who would win Bruce Lee or Mike Tyson? In this fight, Bruce Lee will be wearing his quintessential Kung-Fu shoes optimized for asphalt surface fighting and pajamas. Mike Tyson will be wearing boxing shorts and shoes optimized for an asphalt surface.

Research the statistics of these fighters to support your choice. Their height, bicep circumference, and any other number to lend credence to your choice will certainly be more convincing than simply abstractly describing that the skill of your choice is better.

Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson: Who would Win?
Mike Tyson: 5' 10" - 220 pounds

Bruce Lee: 5' 7" - 146 pounds

I would love to be able to say Bruce Lee but Tyson, in his prime, was among the most fearsome fighters the world has ever seen.

Bruce Lee's weight in 1972 was 146 pounds - putting him in the welterweight class of boxing. In order to give this fight some perspective, I listed some of the great welterweights below (note: many moved on to higher weight classes):

Sugar Ray Leonard

Felix Trinidad

Thommy Hearns

Roberto Duran

Wilfred Benitez

Sugar Ray Robinson (early days)

It is a given that in the boxing world, the best heavyweight boxer will destroy the best of welterweights. It's a no contest. I cannot for the life of me imagine any of the welterweights above giving Tyson pause. They would, however, make interesting opponents for Lee.

On top of this, Tyson (who is sometimes underrated as a boxer - great skills in his prime under D'Amato) was reminiscent of earlier fighters akin to those of the Jack Johnson era - a natural streetfighter turned boxer.

Tyson is a streetfighter, a boxer, a puncher, as bad*ss as they come and borderline crazy (without his meds) who would do anything to win against anyone.

Have to give this one to Tyson.

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Reply:Bruce would beat Tyson and Tyson knows it. The people who are saying Tyson would beat Bruce dont even actually believe it and are just being silly.

Please prove that you actually think Tyson would beat Bruce via lie detector test results. Report It

Reply:If there really are people who genuinely think Tyson would win, it is down to pure ignorance. But i cant blame them in a way, because they see Tyson in the ring and are scared of what they see. They put their own fears and insecurties on what they think Bruce Lee could likely do. Report It

Reply:mike tyson would never have beaten bruce lee not a

chance bruce lee would have kick *** in seconds Report It

Reply:Mike Tyson with no research just my gut feeling.
Reply:they have zero chance compared to chuck norris.
Reply:The only way Tyson would beat Bruce Lee if he could catch him and bite him (LOL). Bruce Lee would knock Tyson out with his feet!
Reply:Sorry, but bicep circumference nor any other physical attribute will guarantee that one will beat the other.

However, Bruce Lee would win, no contest. Tyson is slow compared to him.
Reply:Tyson, much stronger and he's a pro boxer.
Reply:Tyson. Lee was basically just an exhibition fighter. Lee also would be outweighed by almost a hundred pounds. Lee could only win by submission, but he doesn't have any submissions.
Reply:Are you crazy, you know that Bruce would win. Bruce is the mann, well not any more, (he's dead)
Reply:that crazy but i'll take lee to win.lol
Reply:Mike Tyson was tuff to beat in punchout... but that was about it.... Bruce Lee would win in real life.
Reply:Tyson would most probably kill him within 5 minutes.

We tend to forget that Bruce Lee was an ACTOR who knew a bit about fighting and not a fighter who could act, a bit.

In fact, Chuck Norris would most probably beat both Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson, too.
Reply:lee cuz power is not the key but quickness has the force.....lee can stop ur heart wit a single blow
Reply:Old question.

No answer.
Reply:You would like to think Mike Tyson because he showed us that he could knock anyone out in his prime and he probably got some of his reputation on the streets. However I think that Bruce Lee would win even though he weighed about 125 lbs. Mike Tyson always was the small heavyweight fighter and seemed really fast to THOSE guys. Bruce Lee is fast compared to Floyd Maywhether and he would be lightning compared to Tyson. This is a street fight so Bruce Lee would have all the room in the world to back up and evade Tyson. Tyson couldn't corner Lee off and would have to literally chase him. Lee would frusterated Tyson by toying him and eventually would catch him with nasty kick to the chin. Bruce Lee is small but he could kick a heavy bag higher than Mike Tyson could punch one. That said he would chin check Tyson with a couple kicks and it would all be over. Tyson has a soft chin anyways.
Reply:Tyson is much bigger.
Reply:street fight situation...if you aply Bruce Lees Jeet Kune do tactics to that fight, all Bruce Lee had to do was get the first attack in and its all over, perhaps he would sidekick Tyson in the kneeand at in a mili-second, finger jab tyson in the eys blinding him, then all Bruce had to do was kick Tyson in the nads...GAME OVER

Tyson was all about brute force, if he connects with a punch Bruce wll feel it...only if he connects with a punch.
Reply:my research shows me that bruce lee died on july 20 1973.

As such tyson would win the fitght, but wouldnt' know he won it because he would waste the rest of his life punching bruce lee's decomposing corpse as he is too stupid to tell the difference.
Reply:Mohammed Ali and Bruce Lee had trained together for a short period of time.

Mohammed Ali said that in a boxing ring he would win, in a street fight Bruce Lee would win.

peach fruit

'Best' unarmed combat technique?

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Who would win in a professional fight?

Each person equally qualified in their own particular field, fighting one-to-one.

Between kung-fu, karate, ju-jitsu, taekwondo, wing chun, tai chi, aikido, thai kick-boxing etc etc, which would beat the others?

I know this sounds a bit like one of those "who would win in a fight between batman and the hulk" but i really am curious.

'Best' unarmed combat technique?
tai - chi most definately

but you didnt include street fighting cos if that was included then that would win cos you cant beat a kick in the knackers
Reply:Tai-Chi is the father of all these other styles.

It takes about 25 years to become a Tai-Chi master..
Reply:it actually depends on how resistant to blows the person is.

if its out side the best is boxing because while most of them are trying to get off some type of move a good boxer will have them down.
Reply:Running. It's the oldest and best combat technique.

If that doesn't then it will depends on the training and how good is the fighter. No style is better than the other; what's better or not is the person.
Reply:Thai kick boxing or ju-jitsu if your in a match fight with rules. Kick boxing is a full on attacking style. And ju-jitsu is just a great way to counter almost any martial art.

If your looking for something to help you on the street against gangs and thugs I'd say wing chung. If it's done right you will down a thug with ease and any of his friends will not want to touch you. It's all about stepping up closer to your opponent and not backing away when a punch is thrown at you. This will confuse any un-trained person. Then you have the fact that wing chung is full of very fast (minimalistic) movements.
Reply:Hi there

Its far better to think of this question without the martial arts part as it has very little to do with it.

Each situation is different and everyone is built differently. There are too many factors involved for a straight yes or no.

But most on here will say MMA because of the shows they watch. If you want a real answer about what works ask a police officer.

Best wishes

idai
Reply:I honestly think Ninjitsu, one of the most deadliest Martial Arts in the World.
Reply:No one would win, everyone would claim they did though.
Reply:Obviously the Hulk would win, as he's Marvel's strongest character ( he beat the Silver Surfer, Superman, and Onslaught, etc.)...

Your question is a misnomer. You asked about the best technique, not a whole style. However, given with the rise of UFC, it can be said that the strongest grappling styles are Judo, wrestling, and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, while the strongest striking types are Muay Thai, Western Boxing, Kyokushinkai Karate, and kickboxing, including Sanshou. Other styles such as Aikido, kung fu, TKD, wing chun (again, kung fu), and tai chi are more for moderate physical exercise (martial sports) or aesthetics than for self-defense and street or cage fighting.
Reply:The one whose fighter was willing to give all in training and in the fights. To win in this style fight now is called MMA, it has progressed. And now due to sound wisdom the fighters blend their skills to erase holes that all arts have. Still the ancient fighting arts, just Americanized ya know the melting pot !!

And MMA fighters are and have proved their salt over and over again. I am a traditonalist but appreciate great fighters.

My art is about fighting so it is easy to appreciate it. So as MMA has proven all or none.
Reply:There is no superior martial art, only superior martial artists. But if I had to take a bet...a professional unarmed fight...that must means a limited environment like a ring or octagon. That's easy, as it's been proved time and time again...MMA.
Reply:Fights have no winners.
Reply:A "Professional fight." I guess that means they're being paid for it, and therefore it will be subject to the laws of some nation... and therefore will not be a good representation of what an actual fight would be. But, we're talking just what's are great one on one styles? I like Muay Thai and Jujitsu as one-on-one styles. Especially if we're working within the laws.
Reply:This already happened. Go watch the first 5 UFCs, where there were no rules and everyone only used one style. It turned out to be grappling, specically Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

It went JJ%26gt; Wrestling%26gt;Judo%26gt; Kickboxing%26gt; Karate%26gt; Kung-Fu%26gt; Ninjitsu%26gt; everything else
Reply:ok i have been praticing martial art since i was 4 and now i have develope my body to be come a rock and the technique are to deadly to demonstrate its call vovinam it is what elite soilders in the war use they fight to kill not to win so i think if it is killing intention vovinam will dominate over other
Reply:Well, I was in the British special forces for 22 years, and the first rule of unarmed combat is "Don't be unarmed ".The most mundane objects can be used as a weapon. I only ever fought to kill.
Reply:Best techniques: punch in nuts, kick in nuts, karate chop to the nuts, eagle claw to the nuts, poke in the nuts, knee in the nuts, elbow to the nuts, headbutt to the nuts...

Any technique from any martial art is effective as long as it is applied to the nuts (against a guy).

If fighting a girl then a tittie twister wins hands down.

Why do many people hate contemporary Wushu?

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Let me tell you why....I have lived in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan from 1991-2000 (with short visits to the USA). Contemporry Wushu is NOT Kung Fu. These froms were made in the 1950's%26amp;1960's. They do not exist in Hong Kong or Taiwan unless an outsider breings them in. It is flashy, useless, running, jumping, body slapping nonsense....Real Kung Fu teachers from Hong Kong and Taiwan (Republic of China) consider it trash. Many wushu people are talented and desrve respect but I hope they will reurn to real Kung Fu, if a form has fast running steps, then it is wushu, don't practice that junk. I am a teacher of Praying Mantis the old forms not wushu, i know some wushu and don't like it. Traditional kung fu helps in a real fight better than runny, slappy wushu...the only awesome "wushu" style is sanshou which was around before contemporary wushu....I hope more martial artists will embrace the real true forms...

Why do many people hate contemporary Wushu?
I know little of wushu, but my guess would be a combination of ignorance of the haters, and improper training of the practioners
Reply:At my dad's school we teach functional and meditative taichi and we call the form wushu, it's not what most people refer to as wushu--I hate that flashy, for-show, no-good-in-real-life crap they are calling wushu, it is not real anyway. We teach for self-defense and exercise and we don't teach anything that is not beneficial in real life. That showy stuff is a waste of time and energy if you think it's going to help you out in a dark alley.
Reply:WUSHU or WU SU it's old name literally means war skill or art.It is going to depend on who is doing the teaching how closely this idea will be followed.

I see it as being a prepratory art to teach balance speed and flexibility before going on to the real combatives.
Reply:That's interesting. I have been doing MMA and kickboxing for a while, but went to a couple of wushu lessons recently as I am of Chinese heritage and thought I should try it out.

I did notice that it seemed quite flashy and not practical compared to what I was used to but thought it must be just not what I'm used to.

Considering that the foundations martial arts originated in Chinese kung fu... or at least had some of its beginnings there, its sad that it seems to have moved away from its true forms as you say.

Where in Australia can one learn real kung fu?

wallflower

How to cope with nasty girls.help?

2009-11-12T18:24:00.003-08:00

ok. These two girls that hate me (I still don't know why......honestly!) have been posting all over face book how they are going to 'bring me down'' and 'destroy me'. they don't know I have a face book profile, so have seen all of this. What should I do? I'm 23 , so you know you'd think I wouldn't have to deal with it, but women are horrible creatures. I've had so much **** from women. I'd rather get it all out with a fight, cos I do kung fu and pow, sorted, but noooooo girls have to go for verbal attacks, telling lies, try to **** you up mentally. It sucks big time. Anyway, I'm a bit worried about these girls that are plotting my down fall because they are messed up pill heads and a bit vicious.

help

How to cope with nasty girls.help?
Well, they're probably jealous, so wanna mess you up.

There's not a lot you can do except keep your reputation clean so it doesn't stick. Keep your head up. Ask them why they're messing with you. If they won't say, just ignore them, since if you talk back, they'll get even more into this...sick plot.

Just carry around a taser or something, don't worry too much, and be ready to disprove their lies.
Reply:Contact the cops...before you put your hands on them--because if you do, it may completely backfire...
Reply:call the cops
Reply:if they are pill heads...what better revenge than to get them busted somehow...

be original...find out some place or time that they might have their 'pills' on them, and make sure officer friendly findsout so he can check up on them...
Reply:Best to ignore this nutcases. If they do try anything with you report them. Go down to their level and they will have you where they want you.

I think with these crazies, it's all talk.
Reply:u teach them alright ...

tell them to deal with u infront of u ...

btw wats yer facebook name??
Reply:The truth is no matter how old you are there are going to be girls who are petty. Plotting the downfall of another is usually something that an insignifant person does, so remember that. As far as your Facebook goes put a post up saying that you don't entertain any hating. It should get their attention. In the end, the best bet may be just to try and rise above it. Just because you can kick their ***** doesn't mean you have to. You know "With great power..."
Reply:Who cares what they say. Let them talk. If there on drugs most likely no one is paying any mind to them.

But if you really wanna to get revenge this is what I'd do. Fight fire with fire. Create fake face book pages for them. Put tons of nice things on their profile like I have herpes, or will have sex for money. I would even requests some of their friends to be friends on their fake profile. I would take the pictures they have on their face book page to create your fake page. If you're good with photo shop doctor up some porn pics with their faces. It will be so fun!!!
Reply:They are full of jealiousy, I would ignore it... I know it's tough but if you say something to them , there just going to cause drama, like everything else... ask God to help you in your prayers and everything will be fine. Don't let it get to you and they dont' deserve your time.. They talk about you becasue of jealiousy, hey let them waste their time on you, see your that important to them that they must talk about you!

Hope this helps! Take care and don't let them get to you.
Reply:u go girl kick there a s s!!!
Reply:Treat them exactly as they treat you. If you ignore them maybe they'll think you're weak.
Reply:beat the **** out of them sweetheart you sound a tuf cookie you can sort them out darlin xx

I'm interested in taking martial arts, I have a few questions?

2009-11-12T18:24:00.002-08:00

I've got a few (more) questions, just trying to research into it a little bit more :)

First of all, I'm 16 years old, almost 17, is it too late to start? I've heard of people who start at 17 or 18 and get their black belt by 21 or so. I would be very committed to it and try very hard; I also used to be in gymnastics so maybe that would help?

What martial art is best, most fun and most impressive to take? Karate, kung fu, TKD etc.

What are the main principles of the main martial arts? Is karate just a simplistic, blunt movements; is kung fu more engaging, full on fighting sort of thing? I'm looking to learn something more exciting and fun to do.

Lastly, which martial arts have real contact fighting/matches-- as in competitions, etc. or are there mostly just demonstrations to graduate belts/sashes and such?

Thank you so much for any help!! It is very much appreciated =)

I'm interested in taking martial arts, I have a few questions?
ur never too old or young

there is no best unless u wanna fight someone

martial arts relaxes ur mind

they have both demostration and full contact, its ur choice when you get good
Reply:I had the good fortune to have done some martial arts. I think that if you go to as many dojo's as you can find in your area, you will see which art suits you best.

I am concerned by your comment that you would like to chose the one which is impressive. I think most of them are impressive, not for what they display, but mostly for what they do not display.

Mental strength, personal power discipline.

Enjoy It is good that you have this interest.

Regards

Deon
Reply:believe it or not, the style and management really will answer your questions. Every Martial Arts style is different and since most people don't take martial arts, (let alone learn all of them), it's hard to get a justified answer. There is no real main martial arts.

Being a student of Jhoon Rhee TKD, I know for a fact that it does have sparring which what you described as "real contact". But they also do have flashy forms for demonstrations.

As for your age, I'm happy to say that joining now is still a great time because you wouldn't have to wait to go up belts as long as I do. After my next for third degree in March or April, I'll be forced to wait 10 years before I can test again. I'm not going to be looking forward to that because I won't learn anything new. But by the time you got to where I am, you'll be about 26.

If you need more details, I think there's a phone number. I've never used, but my Master has told me about.

"Call USA-1000; Jhoon Rhee means Might for Right." I believe that's what I was told.

As far whatever you choose, I hope it goes well. =)
Reply:I do TKD and it is really fun, i think u can start whenever it just depends on if ur willing 2 stick with it! :)
Reply:It's never too late! And it's great that you're excited about it. But I would not focus on achieving rank because the essence of martial arts is to develop skill and knowledge. I'm a long-time karate practicioner though I've done many other styles a bit. Kung-fu is much more elaborate and in some ways very compelling. TKD is really a sport-type martial art with a lot of emphasis normally on sparring techniques and fun with high kicking, etc. Karate looks simpler than some though many of the forms and application are very deep.

Aikido is anothe type very fluid with emphasis on redirecting energy. And judo is very much a sport but also compelling if you like throws, etc. All the styles have some amount of competition-- if you want to compete/spar a lot you may want to look for trophies in the practice room.

In my experience even within styles there is a huge variation in terms of skill, process and emphasis. I would probably discourage people who were interested in serious study from going to a profit-making 'strip mall dojo' run by a big corporate organizations. (Karate schools are the most common in this not so good area). Mostly because they often put more emphasis on what you pay than what you learn and the level of instruction can be very inconsistent even with 'black belts'.

The most important thing is that you go to visit/observe as many styles and schools as you can. and go back to the places you really like that feel like the right fit for you. If you're really interested in forms, kicks or sparring it will be pretty evident from the class though you should ask the instructors if you really want to compete.Then try a class or two. Especially don't let anyone sell you a 'membership' right away. And be wary if they give you a list of fees for belt-testing, etc.

Also just remember that when you first practice it may seem quite difficult. Martial arts practice done right is a great journey not just an acitivty. Don't give up when you find what really appeals to you! And have a great time Christine!

P.S.

I practice with a non-profit group of traditional karate dojos-- there are dojos all over the world and you can find out more at ska.org.

take care!
Reply:Well, I started TKD when I was 17 (im 18, along time huh? lol! well actually, its been 9 months now : /) and from experience, Its not late at all to start at 16/17.

Now for what martial art is best, there is no best martial art. whith that sayd, TKD rules! lol, jk jk. really it all depends on what you want to focus on. Karate is probably the most street usable between TKD, karate and kung fu. It incorporates punches, kicks, joint locks, and take downs so they have a vast arsenal. you should also check out the diffrent styles of karate, like kempo and okinawa, since they vary in what they focus on (kempo focuses on speed and okinawa on strength).

Kung fu focuses on speed and flexibility, and you should know that there are alot of styles of kung fu, not just one. For example there is wing chung, preying mantis, shaolin kung fu, and so many other variations. The problem with kung fu (my taichi teacher told me this, she does wushu and kung fu too) is that it is not unified like TKD or karate, so there might be variations on the styles. for example, the long stances could vary (you probably feel lost dont you? I forgot you dotn know these terms, just bear with me for a while,k?) one being shorter than another, or how low someone should go in a certaint form, but these varyations are not that bad and do not affect the styles too much.

TKD focuses on speed, flexibility and kicks. You might find this martial art a bit better for you since you can do gymnastics, and TKD focuses alot on gymnastics (in my school, we have days devoted to doing gymnastics, mainly back flips and hand springs). TKD teaches you how to fight with punches and kicks and is very similar to karate, but you focus mostly on kicks. Some schools, WTF style, also incorporate hapkido (korean martial art which has joint locks and take downs) to compliment TKD. Hapkido covers things like people grabing your arms, hair, chest, neck, its really a self defense martial art.

Out of those three, I find you have alot of fun in TKD and make alot of friends, but kung fu and karate also have that type of atmosphere, just not as much as in TKD. Also, the three of them have sparring and tournaments, but they differ. Karate focuses on point sparring ( you hit an oponent once, and then you take stances to fight again until someone has x amount of points) TKD focuses on continous point sparring ( you fight for a minute and the winner is based on who got the most points, never stoping unless theres a ring out or someone does an illegal move) and kung fu is more hard core, barley any pads, but they dont hit as hard (or actually, that depends on the level these fighters are at).

So to recap, karate is like you say, blunt and simplistic, but its highly effective (just because something is simple doesnt mean it doesnt work), kung fu is very engaging and challenging, alot of difficult but beutiful forms (dont confuse it with wushu, because that is not kung fu, its more art than martial, but it derives from kung fu, and depending on the teacher it can be used as a martial art) but dont expect to have as much fun sparring there as in karate or TKD. TKD has alot of complex kicks and you actually use gymnastics to do some of the kicks, but most TKD schools neglect the aspects of using hands for blocking and striking (not my school, but that again depends on the teacher) and so when you go to the streets, its not as effective. but the good thing TKD has it teaches hapkido, which makes up for not using the hands.

If you want a martial art to really defend yourself take muay thai, judo, or boxing. these are great for self defense and highly effective. but TKD, karate and kung fu are alot more fun and you learn more than how to defend yourself, you learn respect, patience and gain self confidence.

Also, pick a good instructor. If you dont feel comfortable with the instructor and your peers, youll likely drop the class and stop going, which would make it a waste of your time. Go to a school and try to get a free class, observe if the students actually know what their doing or if they got their belts for decorations. also, if the instructor tries to shove a contract at you, kindly say no and walk away, because these instructors are just out for your cash. and last but not least, dont stick to just one martial art, after a while (six months and onwards) you should get into anotherone if you can afford it (belive me, there are matial arts that are more expensive than others), experiment and cross train, but dont drop your first martial art because that is your foundation (unless you really hate it). Also, dont belive the whole "my martial art is better than another" because its not. all martial arts have great things about them. Its up to you to take in what you like about that martial art and reject what you dont, but remember that everything is useful and to never disregard something because it doesnt work for every situation. I went on alot huh? If this helped you, then all right!!! if it didnt, well, I tried didnt I? didnt I? good luck and have an open mind.

p.s. for TKD, I recommend WTF or ITF, since both are recognized world wide. (WTF is the one that uses gymnastics alot, ITF is alot better for fighting in the streets, but both are real good)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Y3-STuMbVE

thats a vid that shows what the tournament side of TKD is like. the girls at 2:20 are really going at it! ( you can skip the first minute or so, its not really interesting, but if you wanna watch it, then go ahead.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wqyTfWSR01o

he does WTF TKD and also gymnastics, he combines them to do tricking or xma. xma is kind of based of TKD.
Reply:You're never too young to start learning a new martial art!

there is no such thing as a best, or most imporessive martial art. although all are fun. if you're in gymnastics, then TKD or brazillian jujitsu could be easier for you, as they require a good amount of flexibility (especially TKD). Karate isnt simple...you may think you know how to punch and kick, but there are sooo many little things you have to remember...and its effective and much more realistic compared to TKD (only fancy flashy kicks)

TKD and Judo are olympic sports, but lots of other martial arts hold competitions and tournaments. Techniques from different martial arts are also used in MMA fighting, eg. UFC, pride, etc.

so.......if you want to impress your friends, take TKD..it may work in real life self defence, but IMO, it isnt realistic

kung fu, karate, jujitsu %26amp; judo are great to learn in my opinion, as long as you find the right teacher.

in terms of effectiveness on the street and self defence, eskrima %26amp; kali (and other filipino martial arts) are very good. krav maga is the probably the most effective though.

there is tons more to know about martial arts, more than you can fit in this answer box ;)....so read something or look on the net for more info...or contact me

hope this helps =)
Reply:its never too late to start, yes gymnastics could help, there really isnt a martial art that's best and most fun, and you definetely shouldnt worry about which is most impressive to take. not all karate is blunt simplistic movements and kung fu is definetely not a more engaging full on fighting sort of thing. infact more kung fu places around these days are complete bullshit trying to make a quick buck. and it depends what you want, dyou want a high contact highly competitive atmosphere of just kata crap and demonstrations?

i think you should try a few before deciding, and if you dont mind me saying, it sounds a little like you're getting into martial arts for the wrong reasons. i dont wear my belt or my art on my sleeve, i do brazilian jiu jitsu but i dont go shouting it to the world or trying to make it sound impressive.

get into something because you like it and you think it could help you.

cary c is not an instructor.
Reply:What everyone said.

When ppl ask which martial arts style is "more effective"?

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arent they really asking "which style can I be effective at in the least amount of time"?... then the forms argument... if you learn forms, you are adding things in your training that are not immediatley (if ever) effective for your fighting skill.... and you take class time away from "actual" fighting techniques to learn these.... I can imagine, that you could teach any style that has forms without them, to increase the "effectivness" , but it does take away from the "art", the reason MT is so effective (IMO) is that the entire class time is geared towards fighting, but if Kung Fu, Karate, or Tae Kwon Do, taught their art in the same mannor, then they would produce "better fighters faster", and remember that not all Martial Arts Practicioners want to fight... anyway, wanted some other thoughts

When ppl ask which martial arts style is "more effective"?
Good question and you make some good points.

Part of the point of Forms is to illustrate the application of the technique and also to simulate a fight and further illustrate the application of the moves. Just learning the blocks and strikes doesn't give the same "foundation" to work from. That's my opinion anyway, I know there are many arguments around the aforementioned.

Lastly and more importantly in my opinion is that MA is about WAY more then just fighting. It's about THE ART.

It's like saying why would I pay for hand painted art of a beautiful sunset when I could just go take a picture of one on my digital camera and print and hang that up?

Either one is fine and in the eye of the beholder. some want the hand painted some prefer the latter.
Reply:How fast your going to be effective has so many factors. Remember that there are 2 types of people, fast learners and slow. A slow learner is going to be slow, and a fast fast, as some folks take 10 years to get a BB in BJJ, yet some have made it in fast time.

Now take College wrestling. Alot of folks started in H.S. then go to College add 4 more years, now in a total of 8 max years you have the ability to fight in the ufc.

The ability to win a fight does not mean win in life, to many mix the 2 up. In life we see alot of folks that have it all, then we see those that do not. Have everyone start with 0, then see who is successful out of all the Martial Artists in life as people. Just a skill to fight can only go so far in life for most folks as not everyone is a champion. You need more, and that's the part of Martial Arts that should be taught more. Or else when you lose fights due to a lack of the killer instinct or whatever, you will feel that Martial Arts has nothing for you. Fact is it has something for everyone. Just as with people, some are prejudiced thinking theirs is better , till they lose.

Martial Arts should be a way of life and that way should help you build a better life. Self Defense is the road to a better and safer life in my opinion.
Reply:Chuck

From a fighting perspective i agree.

BUT as for myself, I did not join the MA just to fight, I joined to make is a way of life and you cannot make fighting a way of life, sure you can make a living and money from it but not a way of life.

With Martial arts, the kata and its bunkai and history, and especially the BUDO of Karate and the way they live their lives is more important to me than fighting all the time. I think that is why MANY choose the styles because it is just not an ALL fighting place of learning.

You can get that from boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, kyokushinkai and others. Karate, Kung fu and the other traditional styles DO produce good fighters but they do not FOCUS on just fighting or producing a good fighter. They focus on creating a better person with better morals, compassion and self discipline.

That kind of teaching is rarely taught in an all fighting school. Now there is nothing wrong with that, it comes down to your reasons for wanting to be in it to beging with. I kickboxed for four years and had plenty of fighting. i now prefer my Kenpo and Shotokan for its BUDO more than its fighting.

I hope that makes sense to you. I agree with what your saying but that is why some choose what they do as i have.
Reply:What is important is whether you truly know your art. If you know the movements but don't know what they mean, then you are wasting your time and money.

You might as well just go to a boxing gym.
Reply:Well yeahm, the main reason why MT has such strong fighters is because they fight, full resistance, not only does this give them the great physical stamina but also it gives them the mental edge over fighters, the mentality to take a hit and to cope under pressure, this is the main things that seperate MT from other arts, MT doesnt have many techniques and the techniques are basic anyway but its the way it is practiced that makes all the difference

Although I have to point out that traditional Muay Thai has the training but also alot more techniques to it includeing grapling, but most people refer to the sport like MT
Reply:A martial artist asks : Why practice forms?

A soldier asks: Why march?

The answer is the same - to learn. The forms teach the fundamentals, the very essence, of the art. They were written to help students memorize the basics of a specific art. In addition, they teach discipline and focus, both of which are neccessary for a good fighter. Forms are the blueprint of a battle plan, not the battle plan itself.

Why do some people say that ONE martial arts is the best? Especially for street fighting?

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I'm sure that back in the Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan days, everyone said the best martial arts to learn was kung fu. Now a lot of people say brazilian jujitsu (probably cuz of that UFC guy, Royce Gracie) and several vacillate between kickboxing and muy thai.

Me personally, I am a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, and while I don't think it's THE best, I enjoy it very much and I believe it would be a very effective tool in combat, if you know how to use it. The Korean Marines trained in TKD extensively, and they were renowned for their hand-to-hand combat skills in the Vietnam War.

Not meaning to discredit the effectiveness of throws and submission holds, though. I've already learned a few and I will look into taking jujitsu/akido classes or something similar, as soon as I can afford it.

But point is, why say that ONE martial arts is the best? They all focus on different things and qualities. I think it really depends on the person. And besides, martial arts wasn't about... (read on)

Why do some people say that ONE martial arts is the best? Especially for street fighting?
Tae kwon do can be a good martial art, true, but it depends on the instructor, really. Part of the problem with modern TKD is that it is an olympic sport, so most of the traditional values have been lost.

Now there is no PERFECT martial art, but there is a type of martial arts that are the best, no matter what. these are the mixed martial arts, ones where the founders have implemented techniques from many varying styles to forge a truly dominate style.

Grappling styles like aikido and ju-jitsu, while effective, they usually only teach the students how to get the opponent to the ground, what to do next?

Striking styles like Muay Thai are very vulnerable to the grappling styles, or most scenarios they havent been in before.

Karates (and most TKD dojos) would be the best type to learn. The style I do, Seido Karate, implements techniques from Shotokan, Goju-ryu, Kyokushin, amd in some ways Aikido. punches, kicks, blocks, stances, breathing techniques, footwork, throws, joint locks, ground fighting, scenarios for fights, sparring, physical training and conditioning, weapons :-D, and traditional values. not that this is the only school like that. Shotokan, goju-ryu, shito-ryu, kyokushin, they are all great styles. The main reason why Karate and TKD are the best styles is like what you said: they give real life scenarios for self-defense, so that you can apply them. although most of the pressure would be on the student to take in all the valuable information.
Reply:...however, I don't agree that TKD is THE best. And I would probably train in several established styles before I try MMA. Report It

Reply:I am a devout disciple of gun fu, with a 3rd degree in run fool!
Reply:As a professional soldier, I've always been of the persuasion to never get close enough to even consider the use of hand to hand combat techniques.

If I have to remove a sentry? Its done quietly, silently, efficently, and permantly- that kung fu crap makes too much noise.
Reply:Look i completely agree. the only style that is the best style is the one you (the studying student) likes to studying the most. it is only through the enjoyment of the style will someone devote themselves to the style enough to get what they were essentially after to begin with, the knowledge of how to fight. an though many styles due spend focus on the mental aspects, no style was discovered that wasn't effective in some way on the battle field. FYI.
Reply:You actually make the point that I try to convey whenever I feel like answering the bi-weekly question of which martial arts is best for the street!

I would say that the reason most people tend to think there is one system or combination of systems that is better than all others is due to ignorance. What is best for one may not be best for another. Essentially, it boils down to "my dog is better than your dog" or "my dad can beat up your dad" methodology. Ego plays a big factor.

It is also unfortunate that somebody who should know better would refer to any other system as "crap" too, larry the orc
Reply:Really I think you could say that krav maga is the best for street fighting. It teaches you strikes that will disable your opponent, "submissions" that break joints instead of submitting people, how to use handy objects as weapons, and how to take out someone quickly. In a true street fight (especially if unprovoked by you) you want to disable someone, period. No rules, no quarter, just win. Like strike to the groin, throw, arm break or shoulder dislocate. That should be fight over. If you are throwing high kicks or anything fancy you are going to get knocked out. Other than that BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu) is favored by many because it allows a significantly smaller fighter to overpower a larger fighter through technique and leverage. Again, in a real street fight the submission techniques would be used to break or dislocate a joint or bone. Any martial art package (MMA) training is best because it teaches a variety of techniques, but the bottom line is that without full contact sparring, you will never know what it is like to get punched in the face or hurt, which is extremely important. You might be right about one not necessarily being "the best" but obviously some are better than others, especially when it comes to practical street use.
Reply:Muay Thai and BJJ have proved their strengths in street fighting and practical aplications. ITs great if you can do all the flashy leg work because thats what makes it an art. But Muay Thai and BJJ have proven very effective I myself learn and teach kung-fu Tiger pal to be exact and prefer usign that if i have to fight but iknow if i tried using purified kung-fu in a fight ide get the crap beaten out of me if i fine tuned it for practical fighting it would be fine. But thats the problem no ones willing to learn a bunch of impractical things and adapt it. Thats why Muay Thai and BJJ are treasured they are very practical. K hope i clarified things bye
Reply:Why should any one art be the best ????????

I agree

Let me tell you it is all in the moment many years ago I had a knife pulled on me twice as a doorman (security) the first time i took it off them the second time i ran WHY i dont know it was my job to stop them. The first time i had to be pulled off the guy but strangley enough the second guy was smaller posed less threat but i still ran.

There are so many factors in your own mental state before you consider your training as a factor, it is easy to win a tournament or sit in front of your computor and talk up your drills/ skills.

But to be faced with reality is a differant matter.

Most of the stlyes people discuss are sport because there is vidieo proof of somone being knocked out (i come from these)

But this proves nothing on the streets.

NOTHING WORKS EVERYTHING WORKS

It all depends on the circumstances, situation and your state of mind

if they all come together with your training you still may lose but at least you had a go.

If not you get beaten or run.

instinct is the best form of combat you need to train for many years for instinct is evolution

you can evolve in your life time to allow your matial arts to become instinct but sadly this is not ranked ie by being a black belt.

There is no 1 art just instinct and if an art becomes your instinct no matter what it is it is the best!!!!!!
Reply:jeet-kun-do. pay attention %26amp; you'll see why.
Reply:Absolute best for street fighting is MMA. Hands down!!!! Its the only stlye i know you train in actual stand up and ground contact to its fullest. Like the saying goes tap out or pass out if not break it. I train in Vegas doing MMA. I also did TKD. TKD does nothing in a real fight. Have you ever seen a grandmaster get their butt kick by a MMA student.
Reply:You're right. o say that ONE martial art is the best for all aspects of street fighting is wrong. Here is how I've answered the question in the past.

There are three stages of a real life fight that you have to consider. There is a different martial art that is good for each of these stages.

Stage 1 - Avoiding the attacker and ending the situation without an attack, only with defense.

Aikido - throws and locks designed to immobilize an opponent by using his weight and momentum against him.

Stage 2 - Defend and attack. Ending the situation by using blocks and attacks.

Karate - Uses blocking and attacking to end a situation by taking out the opponent before things get out of control.

Stage 3 - Ground Work. The fight gets out of your control and goes to the ground.

Brazilian Ju-Jitsu - There is no better ground fighting technique than Gracie BJJ. Lets you lock, hold and break opponent. Sort of like wrestling but without the rules.

There is one art that is supperior to all others in the hand to hand combat area (quick military kill, not street fighting) and that is Krav Maga.

Hope this answers your question.
Reply:People will almost always believe that the style they are taking is the best, otherwise, why would they be taking it. The truth of the matter is that there is not single style that is better or worse than any other style, it depends on the individual, and the instructor.

Personally, I studied JKD and found it to be very effective. But that is because JKD is not its own style like Karate, TKD, or Judo, but a blending of many different martial arts. JKD is more of a philosophy than a seperate martial art. Te philosophy is to learn as much as you can from any and every style and incorporate what works into creating your own unique fighting style.

It all depends on the type of person you are, where you are comfortable, and what your physical abilities will allow. For me, I am a big guy. Fancy kicks like those used in TKD are just not practical for me. On the other hand, I am fairly strong and have decent hand speed, so I incorporate alot of boxing and MT Kickboxing into my style.
Reply:I agree, I am also a black belt in TaeKwonDo and enjoy very much. People don't understand how effective TKD really is. But for all those people who say jujitsu or kungfu is the best, Their are people who take taekwondo after that stuff and say they didn't know any self defense until they started tkd.

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Anyone have an opinion on what martial art style is best for street fighting and self defense?

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I have been doing research on what would be the best martial arts to learn, strictly for the street and for self defense. I have no interest in tournaments or the sport, just the right style to learn as fast as possible. There are many arguments out there on what is the best style, but my opinion would be the best style that works for your body type, age, health, etc., and what would leave you standing and alive in a real confrontation. Perhaps you have more upper body strength or more powerful legs, or even both.

I have narrowed it down to kung fu san soo, Krav Maga, possibly some form of kick boxing and maybe Hapkido. Of course the skill of the instructor would have a lot to do with personal development.

And of course with all the styles, there are different skill levels and techniques that work better than others. I am very interested in hearing from some of you that have experience and advice. Thanks for your input.

Anyone have an opinion on what martial art style is best for street fighting and self defense?
It seems like you've done a little bit of research, which is very important when seeking a martial arts style. Unfortunately, it's difficult to learn something "as fast as possible" and do it well. Becoming an accomplished martial artist takes a lot of time and practice.

Many different styles have pros %26amp; cons, and really no style is "the best." But there are styles that cater primarily to self-defense vs. the "do" or "Way," which, in my opinion, is also important in martial arts training. The power of internal energy is undefinable. But I digress.

First and foremost, find out what is in you area. Visit the schools and ask to watch a class. There is no point in picking a school one hour away if you can't make it to class. If you are serious about training you better get your butt to class several days a week.

Of the four styles you listed, I'm most familiar with hapkido, which is definitely a good place to start. Joint locks are a great way to subdue an opponent, and if necessary, inflict serious pain. Also, you may want to learn how to use pressure points, which also cause a lot of pain.

But it doesn't matter how well you can put someone else into an arm bar if you can't take a hit. Also, fights often end up on the ground, and you may want to learn how to protect yourself in that type of situation as well.

The best answer is this: Find out what's in your area. Meet with the instructor. Ask a lot of questions.

Good Luck!
Reply:If you have no physical disabilities the Ka-Chang is the only thing you need to know or possibly the Ka-leenk

Ka-Chang with a little practice can stop any one from a 100 yards to a few inches Where as th Ka-leenk on targets at distance

Ka-chang is the sound a 45 auto makes when loaded

Ka-leenk is the sound a droped pin from a granade make

Either sound makes the strongest trimble.

I know both have served me well since Nam.
Reply:My personal experiences have helped me to find styles that work for me . I use a mixture of CHA-3 kenpo ,kajukenbo ,and chinese boxing . They cover all the ranges and teach excellent techniques . Of these three I think CHA-3 kenpo is probably the most straight forward street fighting , kajukenbo being a very close second . I am somewhat biased though . The styles you have listed are also very effective .
Reply:Long distance running is the most likely to leave you standing and alive in a real confrontation. In the real world you are almost out numbered because bad guys run in gangs, and often have weapons.
Reply:hmmm hapkido would be pretty good with the joint locking and stuff but it takes pretty much a long time to master that stuff

id suggest muaythai or kung fu
Reply:For striking..Muay Thai. It's proven and you actually spar at every single lesson.

Sparring is essential to learning your art and self defense. You don't learn this by fighting the air.

And you should learn some grappling too. If you don't know how to fight on the ground, you don't know how to fight.
Reply:Take Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and kick boxing and you should be able to stomp some people pretty good. Also do some long distance running to improve your cardio, if you get tired before the other guy chances are you'll lose no matter what you learn.
Reply:There are no best arts, only best artists. Do not look for a good style, look for a good school.

The frequency and quality of your training will outweigh your style.

Any true martial art will be completely applicable in the street.

The danger of looking for a style is that in your town the only school that teaches it could be crappy, to join an inferior school would be an injustice to yourself.
Reply:Judo or ju-jitsu, kung fu is excellant, because you learn nerve strikes, kicks, punches, counters, no blocks, because blocks are useless, and a waste of time

judo and ju-jitsu, joint locks and joint manipulation, you learn how to take a fall, throws, and chokes.
Reply:Go to smartpages.com and see what type of training is offered in your area. I would go with Hapkido. It's a complete martial art. Kung Fu is great but it takes along time to become proficient at it. Understand that it will take you a few years to become a proficient warrior no matter what you study. No quick fixes.

Make sure the school offers a lot of sparring.
Reply:To win a street fight means you survived. Whoever said jogging or distance running, that is funny and not to far off. I would only add climbing and such to get over fences quickly.

As far as gun-fu, gun fu has to be trained. Many folks fail as they do not train with the gun, getting the gun out, aiming, etc.

As far as finding a martial art. Find what is a available in your area. A mixed martial art school will probably give you a better chance. I personally like American Kenpo Karate but I digress.

Boxing, kick boxing, BJJ, etc are all good to try depending upon the teacher. Krav Maga is fine if the instructor is good and you train.

Best of luck.
Reply:Of course I do not need to spend my time telling you that it is always hard to take one several guys, or that someone might get in lucky punch and "lights out", so I will cut straight to it.

I am 25, and have recently taken up Kung Fu and Kickboxing. If you are wanting something for self defense and you do not want to spend a lot of time learning forms and history I would recommend some form of kickboxing.

It is important to stay away of an aerobic kickboxing class as they pop up on every street corner, but to get in a real "full contact" class in "traditional" kickboxing or Muay Thai.

These arts are really good for standing your ground and beating someone into submission, but if your fight goes to the ground you should look for Jui Jitsui or something similar to that.
Reply:I agree with the guy with the running answer and the other guy who stated it was irrelevant what style. Self defense and street fighting is about survival and doing whatever it takes to beat the other person(s). It is a mindset and physical capability to engage in pure violence. If you can do that with a martial arts style, then okay, but the main idea is that you have a meat-eater outlook.

Nevertheless, the best self-defense is the one that avoids the necessity of having to engage in physical violence. So start running!
Reply:san soo is realy good against mulitple opponents don't do kick boxing 4 street fights 4 striking (kicking pucnhing ... standing up fighting) muay thai if u plan 2 wrestle in a street fight i don't prefer 2 do it because then u have 2 worry about being stomped by the opponents freinds then i would go with bjj (brazilian jiu jistiu)
Reply:wing chun kung fu
Reply:muay thai , krav maga , jujitsu , karate
Reply:ITF style TaeKwonDo with some training in boxing is very good.

Is karate good for self defense?

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is karate good for self defense? ive been watching videos of sparring on youtube, and all they show is people, even at the higher levels, just punching and kicking the crap out of each other with no particular style...like anyone normally fights without any training. Maybe they just have bad videos on there and karate's really very good? Can karate be good for self defense in street situations...will it give you the training you need in pretty much any situation? Also, do you have to be a body builder to win a fight? Would kung fu maybe be better?

Is karate good for self defense?
Both arts are excellent for self-defense. However, they are opposites in their core ideas.

Karate is a "hard" style; meaning that it does emphasize of strength, speed, and your ability to punch through your target and break as much as possible. It's a proven style and there's a reason why it's still around.

A lot of times when I've watched people fight (either in video or real life), I've noticed that they tend to abandon their training. Those that do stick to what they've been taught more often than not come out on top. It's important to note that a real fight is chaotic and just because you know how to fight it doesn't mean you won't get hit.

Kung Fu (or Wu Shu as I'm sure some sticklers will point out as kung fu is a general term for "hard work"), is a "soft" style. It deals with inner strength (tendons, ligaments, etc). In soft styles, they will train to hit and damage their opponent with having to force the bone to crack. Instead, they allow the physics of the body and the fluids of the body to cause problems.

As for which is better, that depends entirely on you. Different people have different likes, dislikes, passions, and abilities of understanding. Both, however, should cover most of the situations you will encounter on the street but due to the dynamics of life...no one could ever cover everything.

I would say, if you're interested in training, look for schools of both and try them out. See for yourself what you feel is best for you.

Against the average joe on the street, either one will be a great tool in your arsenal.
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Reply:It is good for self defense %26amp; also for discipline... But don't just do it to get yourself into fights or just because it looks good on videos! You have to apply yourself %26amp; be serious about learning this art. I have studied akido now for almost 20 years...
Reply:Karate is perfect self defense, you just need the right kind of karate, tai quan do is not the best, its more just board breaking and good looks. You do not need to be a body builder to use karate as karate was made in china, and you know how big they are. Kung fu is very good if you can find a good teacher and have patience and time to practice. Kenpo is also very good if you want to just jump right in and easy to learn. You need a good teacher otherwise the only thing(not that its a bad thing)that you will learn is confidence. Your confidence level will increase and you will not be afraid anymore.
Reply:Yeah, just don't tell anyone tho,
Reply:Karate is good, I recomend also doing either kemo karate or kyokushin karate. I doubt you will see many fancy moves, check out Narushima on youtube, he is probably the best technical fighter, but karate is basicaly about simple techniques and learning how to generate power and also how to take a punch

Its very simple, quick to learn and very effective, if thats not what your looking for then do something else
Reply:Each martial art has its own strength and weakness. Karate is known as a competition art because most movements, katas, training are based on points against another competitor of Karate. It is great for basics and overall health.

If you are looking for a self-defense style however, I would recommend Krav Maga or Commando Krav Maga. It is difficult to find a trained instructor sometimes; however, Krav Maga is a blend of fighting styles that is taught to the Israeli Special Forces, CIA, FBI and some tactical forces.

Krav Maga starts off by teaching real world techniques to protect you, disengage and reassess the enemy. If you want to get into MMA/UFC; I would not recommend Krav Maga. I would go with BJJ (Brazilian Jiu jutsu). If you want to protect yourself then I would learn Krav Maga first.

The link I proved is a definition of Krav Maga.
Reply:as all martial arts if properly applied it's an excellent tool for self defense provided it is properly applied. A lot of this home made junk on youtube is made by amateurs with at best basic level in martial arts. They give a bad example to the rest
Reply:Karate is a great form of self defense along with many other styles that offer it too.

Importantly as I have said time and time again, it is the teacher that you need to truly find. The practitioner makes the style work or not work along with your understand if their teachings.

So it is important to find a good teacher and you learn well from them.

watching videos can be misconceiving. remember you are yourself and unique among like the rest of us, so each of us will interpert the art form in their own way and make it work for them and their body style as they truly begin to understand Karate or any martial art,

good luck on your journey.
Reply:I'll just say this, if applied correctly karate works.
Reply:Hi Ben;

Karate is not a kick-punch sport. What you see in tournament fighting is not Karate.

Each style or "RYU" is characterized by the Kata that are executed. The Kata contain all the techniques needed to be able to defend yourself. Grappling, Pressure Point, Throws, Ki-Development, are developed by proper practice of Kata.

This is why you see sloppy kicking and punching in tournaments, as you described. Then there is that "extreme demonstration" crap. Tournaments harbor the worst displays of such beautiful arts. They are a mockery.

If you need assistance looking for a good instructor in your area, I can assit you in your search.

I can recommend Ed Parker's Kempo. Even though it's an American-made Art, it is an excellent curriculum. Ed Parker was a genius. A true Master. Look for someone who trained directly under him. Larry Tatum is one of his original students.

Hope this helps.
Reply:If self defense is what you're looking for, knowing karate is just half the story. No matter how well trained you are in any martial arts style, if you are attacked by someone and you are afraid to react and apply what you have learned, then you have learned karate for nothing. Let's take another example: most street thugs haven't had the opportunity to learn karate, yet they are very good at defending themselves.

What I am trying to say here is that in order to defense yourself properly, you need to train your SPIRIT and your MIND (your BODY has less importance).
Reply:Which style of Karate do you want to take? They vary. But most are great for self defense.
Reply:Yes, karate is an adequate self-defense system.

But more important then the style is the training methods.

The quality and frequency of your training will far outweigh your style.
Reply:Yeah karate is superb for self defense which is why its so popular.The kicks and blocks are design to defend some one in any situation although karate maybe excellent standing up but its pretty usless on the ground jui jitsu is good for brawling about on the ground. So my advice to you is take jui jitsu and karate a perfect combination.

P.S Karate also helps you to focus
Reply:Any traditional martial arts discipline will provide you with skills and technqiues for self-defense, as that is one of their core goals. Each discpline will achieve it in slightly (or greatly) different ways, but they will offer you much more besides just learning how to defend youself. Karate and Kung Fu would definately be excellent choices.

If you are seriously looking to get into the martial arts, don't look at videos on YouTube. Go to the schools in your area and start talking with the instructor/s and students there. Watch a few classes being conducted and ask questions. See if you can try out a few classes, then decide which one appeals to you the most. You're much more likely to stay with a discipline you enjoy than one you pick becuase someone on here recommended it.

Good luck!

Ken C

9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do

8th Dan TaeKwon-Do

7th Dan YongChul-Do

Anyone knows of a good website for cage fighting news?

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Also is there any Chinese kung fu practitioner known as a good cage fighter?

Anyone knows of a good website for cage fighting news?
these should help

http://www.mmatko.com/

http://sherdog.com/

http://www.graciefighter.com/
Reply:sherdog.com As to the second part of your question, most of the specialists are gone out of MMA. For the most part, only well rounded fighters have any sustained success.
Reply:www.sherdog.com is pretty good for MMA news.

No, there are no kung fu practitioners who are good MMA fighters, or "cage fighter", but there's a guy named Cung Lee, who's a very good Sanda practitioner, and Sanda is a kung-fu derivative. Cung Lee is currently pretty good in MMA.
Reply:mma.com

ufc.com
Reply:look up mmalinker for good news and fights u can watch for free.

On the Kung fu question I would say no as all the Kung Fu arts I know are stand up fighters and are out classed once on the ground.

What web site would you suggest I go to, to learn how to defend my self on-line for free?

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Such as Kickboxing, Karaty, Ninja, finching, Reseling, Knif work, kung fu and other fighting styels like that.

What web site would you suggest I go to, to learn how to defend my self on-line for free?
A little information is a dangerous thing. You might learn just enough from a website to make you dangerous, at least dangerous to yourself. A little knowledge will only give you a false sense of security that will only get you hurt or killed. Find a competent instructor and take the time and effort to really become proficient. Your life has to be worth more than free online lessons or the price of a book or DVD.
Reply:You cannot learn to fight online.

The most important part of a teacher is to correct you when you are ******** up.

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?nam...

read it, feel for the guy then go find a legit gym.

BTW- I would stay away from anything ninja. Ninja labeled stuff is one of two things: a) outright fraud, or b) something else with the "ninja" label smacked on it to attract more students.
Reply:books and and websites don't teach you everything. your best bet will be to find a lagit trainer in self defense. i would advise you to try jeet kune do, boxing,muay thia,or calli, these are the best arts iv found for protecting yourself in real combat situations.
Reply:Don't be lazy or cheap. Research all the schools in the yellow pages. Find a quailfied instructor (Sensei or Sifu) in your area and train at their Kwoon / Dojo.
Reply:I suggest that you sign up for lessons. Anything you learn from a free website will be worth exactly what you pay for it.
Reply:the short answer is-you don't-nothing can compare to training under a qualified instructor in the dojo/kwoon/dojang.
Reply:I'm sure there are some out there, but I would strongly reccomend that you attend actual classes. Learning from a video or from a book are two options, but I wouldn't recommend those, either. It would be best to have an instructor (and a competent one at that) so he/she can tell you if you're messing up.
Reply:www.nra.org
Reply:Your living in a dream world. Instructional DVDs are the closest you will get to learning on your own. They don't even come close to learning from an instructor. You learn by doing movements in repetitions. An instructor can insure that those repetitions are done right. You also must have sparring with another individual. Punching a punching bag is completely different from trying to hit a moving person. I watched muay thai instructionals and hit my bag for a few months before I started classes. The instructionals helped get me up to speed in class quicker, but that is about it.

What is the most efficient fighting style?

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im leaning towards kung fu.

What is the most efficient fighting style?
The one that kills you...
Reply:of course not!

but apparently the community doesnt agree Report It

Reply:Yes.
Reply:Gun fu. You pull trigger. It works.
Reply:ask jackie chan n jet li
Reply:fight dirty, that is the most efficient.
Reply:Jeet Kune Do. It encourages you to move effortlessly, and it's a "no rules" type of style!
Reply:WALKING AWAY FROM IT...KEEP YOUR A$$ OUT OF JAIL GIRL!!!
Reply:I'm thinking guns

HOO-WA
Reply:Fighting dirty, everything you see is a weapon
Reply:Simple Patience
Reply:The most efficient would be the one which allows you to avoid its use. The ability to turn aggression to peace is THE most effective weapon and fighting style.

I am pretty sure that is not what you are wanting to hear but it is the only correct answer.
Reply:What is efficient in a fight is to end it quickly by every means available. There is no efficient fighting style. Adopting a style is to eliminate options that don't conform to the style.
Reply:I'm a fighter and the most difficult style to contest for me is the 'Drunken Master' style. It's one of the most difficult styles to learn and requires tremendous balance to do. It style is as it's name, the fighter looks drunk and stumbles around. However due to the old movement it is very difficult to tell the center of balance because it continues to shift in this style. This makes evading a drunken master's attacks difficult to do. At least that is my personal experience.
Reply:Non-voilence

Gandhi's Method

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Which is a better fighting style?

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which is better tae kwon do,mix martial arts,karate,or kung fu? or is there anyother that is better?

Which is a better fighting style?
mixed martial arts is not a style by itself, it is a combination of all different styles. If I had to pick one particular discipline to excel in, I'd take Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Muay Thai would be my second choice.
Reply:I would say the mixed. all the others as bruce lee put it were styles that locked you into fixed positions that made it tough to fight when you were fighting someone who didnt know the style and just fought with any move what so ever
Reply:I don't think that this question could ever really be answered.

I guess you would have to say mixed martial arts because if there are moves in one discipline that are just technically better you can use it because mixed martial arts is taken from any style.

But it really comes down to the personal skill and natural talents. I suppose that an individual who is naturally good with his legs would be able to say that a martial art that focuses on kicking would be a better style for him, so it is really a personal choice.
Reply:The best fighting style, is not to fight at all.

Failing that the use of hand to hand combat training is far better than martial arts. It is designed to kill, not defend. Trust me when I say my brother, 4th degree black belt, has never been able to take this ex-special force dude down.

But in my humble opinion the Israeli combat fighting style is the best in the world. Armed or unarmed it is superior to the other martial arts. Don't get me wrong, martial artist learn allot of discipline and self control, but when your life is on the line, I'd choose the other.

Good Luck!
Reply:Mixed martial arts isn't a fighting style by itself. I think all Martial Arts claim to be the best. A style should have versatility and allow you to be ready for multiple attacks. Not all fighting styles have the same goal. Some are mainly for competition or exercise where others are mostly for street fighting and don't have competitions. The ones are mentioning would be in my mind equivalent.
Reply:It is not the style that is the best, it is the martial artists who uses that style that is best. Mixed martial arts could be anything so you should be more specific.
Reply:There is no "better style", it comes down to the place, practitioner, teacher, and how hard your train.

Tae kwon do has developed a dubious reputation, because their sparring is not realistic (hands kept down, no leg kicking, hardly any punching and so on), however it can be effective developing flexibility, and learning kicks.

Karate can be effective, again depending on the school you go, 2 styles I'd highly recommend are kyokushin and shidokan, karatekas who practice these 2 sytles are very respected and are tough as nails, they train realistically (with the exception of no punches to the face, although it's bare knuckle), but shidokan fixes that with their muay thai cross-training.

Kung fu (again it comes down to the school), has also developed a dubious reputation, as there are many mcdojos out there, and truly mastering a style takes many years.

Mixed martial arts are a combination of many martial arts, including moves and techniques from arts such as muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, sambo, jiu-jitsu, judo, wrestling and others.

Here are suggestions of effective martial arts:

For standing: muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, kyokushin and shidokan karate, san shou.

For grappling: judo, jiu-jitsu, sambo, wrestling.

I hope this information helps

good luck!
Reply:TAEKWONDO!
Reply:maybe you can try JKD is really free style fighting, without any action, just only let the person down. you can get more info at http://www.msnusers.com/treblekick/train...
Reply:No such thing dude. The martial art ITSELF can't fight. Not trying to be a smart @ss but that is just the reality.

You can use whatever techniques you want, whether they come from shotokan, hapkido, kenpo, jujitsu, or whatver, but it all comes down to what happens in the actual fight and who will prevail in the end.
Reply:Karate, Tae Kwon Do and Kung Fu are for defence. There for self defence. Mixed Martial Arts is not a Martial Art. For kicking Tae Kwon Do is the best, for blocks and punches Karate and for Kung Fu, well Kung Fu is takes alot of dedication. Id say Karate is the best. But thats me, opinions vary.
Reply:This will depend on your body type. If you are a short man with very short leg I wouldn't recommend tae kwon do. If you lack patient and want quick result I wouldn't recommend Kung fu. If you have a low threshold for pain I wouldn't recommend thai kick boxing or karate. So there is no best formula because we all are built differently. If there is a best fighting system out there then all the other schools already closed down but that is not the case isn't it?
Reply:MIxed
Reply:Mixed isnt really a style its a mix, usually of whatever the teach who is running the class studied, it could be BJJ/Karate/TKD/whatever, its whatever he found to be effective from each art that he did or what he sees will be good for the students
Reply:Which is better, Ford or Chevrolet? Each brand has a variety of models, so there is no clear answer. Under the Ford brand, there are cheap models, expensive models, some with just the necessities, and some with lots of useless amenities. There trucks for power and hauling heavy loads and sport cars for speed and maneuverability.

Martial arts have similar attributes. There are martial arts that try to cover all aspects of combat, ones that specialize in only a few aspects of combat, and ones that reduce combat to a sport. Many claim to be the best, and some try to make themselves the best by criticizing and degrading other arts, but most just do what they do best, which is promoting their own way of doing things.

Nowadays, MMA, ultimate fighting, Brazilian Jujutsu, and other similar grappling martial arts are “in vogue” and their practitioners claim they are the best styles for self-defense. However, they are just like the other martial arts in that they are very good at doing what they do. Every art has its own rules for sparring and, under these rules, they may be the best. Whereas, under the rules of another art, or under no rules, they may not be the best. For example, MMA practitioners claim that grappling is a more effective fighting style. However, there are rules and referees in MMA matches that favor grappling. When you facing two or more attackers, would you go to the ground with one attacker while the other is free to kick you to death. It may be difficult to release from a submission hold during a match, but on the street, the opponent will be biting off anything within reach, gouging eyes, and head butting. In addition, it is difficult to attain a hold down or submission hold on someone who is doing these things to you.

As with other things in life, the style you start with is the one that you probably support and think is the best. Therefore, make sure you do your homework before choosing a style to insure it is compatible with you and you are compatible with it.

People start and stop martial arts training for a variety reasons, but the main reason that they stay in training is because of the instructor and camaraderie with fellow students. Most people will never be in or fight or have to defend themselves during their lifetime, so if this is the only reason for studying a martial art, the time will be wasted.
Reply:There are two different ways of MMA. The UFC style (not recommended) or the actually learn multiple martial arts. I like Choy li Fut kung Fu because it is very versatile in striking and blocking. You should also learn Taekwondo for the kicks and just to increase ways to handle a fight situation. If you need to fight, you want to know several ways how to handle it. That's my opinion.
Reply:It depends on what you are looking for. I take taekwon-do and like it for the cardio work out. TKD and Karate arent the best choice if you think your going to need them. You might stand a better chance, but Aikido would help you more. Good Kung fu lessons are hard to find in the US, but if you find them, i'd do that. If you feel you need to defend yourelf, learning some strait punches and groin kicks are your best option.
Reply:Better for what?

MMA possibly best for competition fighting today

Tae kwon do best chance to fight in the Olympics (maybe)

Karate best to get you very fit quickly

Kung-fu best to make you flow like water

What do you want?
Reply:no system is better than others its just how you react to it i guess i used to do traditional karate and i sucked at it then i switched to a system based on boxing/muay thai and im doing much better but some people that go to that would do better at traditional karate lol its very personal i think
Reply:Any style will suffice.

The key is the proficiency of the martial artist.

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Reply:Through meditation, you must find your inner dragon. Then you will know which path to take.
Reply:pencak silat, martial art from Indonesia. Which has 2 carracter. Pysic and metapisic.
Reply:MMA is NOT a fighting style. Jeesh!!

The UFC initially proved that Gracie Jiu Jitsu was the best art.

This was during the time when it was supposed to be an art vs another art.

Now all it is, is just Mixed Martial Arts. Basically putting two guys in the same ring using whatever they can to win.

Nothing more than a glorified streetfight in the ring.
Reply:I have been in Tae Kwon Do for many years. I started when I was 5 and I am now turning 26. I don't think any art is better than any other. I think it is more of the person who is learning it. So areas are well known for Kung fu, others for Karate. In the Midwest we have a huge field of TKD here. In my town alone there are 3 schools plus 2 mixed martial arts schools and a kuk sool and tang soo do. Honestly no martial art is any better than the next, its how you apply it.

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How To Improve Proper Fighting Techniques?

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I just got a punching bag/sandbag, apart from just hitting the thing what are exercises i can practise to make a better fighter in general. I not really looking to specific forms like Kung Fu or Ninjitsu, just a better more coordinated fighter in general

How To Improve Proper Fighting Techniques?
practice jab punch combo's, focus on accuracy, then speed, then power.

at first, just do some light boxing, pick a point or spot on the bag and work on just hitting that one spot. Build up your wrist strength and endurance then go faster. Work on hooks, both up (face area) and bottom, kidneys. Work upper cuts, work going in and out with combos.

It won't make you a world champion, but it should improve your skills and coordination.
Reply:Go rent a book or something for that like at a local library.
Reply:MEDITATION!!!!!!!!
Reply:Footwork.
Reply:go out and start pickin fights .
Reply:that was the funniest answer ive ever read, rent a book to learn to fight AAhAAAHAHAAA i remember in health class there was a kid bigger than me reading a book to learn to fight. so i kicked his ***. he learned more from the beatin than chapters 1,2,3,4 AND 5 combined. just practice some basic punches and doing them as hard as you can do it enough that your not scared to hit anything, and dont forget that there arent any muscles protecting the throat from a swift punch
Reply:Find a friend that has some formal training and ask them to help you out.
Reply:http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/fighters...
Reply:Take up boxing or Muay Thai for about 6 months will help you. However it will not turn you into undefetable superman.
Reply:That´s a tricky question. You want to learn to be a better fighter but you do not want to invest in a specific martial art style...

I imagine your basic objective is self-defense. If it is so, self-defense lessons are the way. This means probably krav-maga or some other "general" self-defense methods derived from various traditional martial arts would be the answer.

The basic thing about fighting is that, as everything else in life, practicing is the key.

Therefore, if you do not want to attend classes, my suggestion (a pretty lame one too) would be to get a friend, some self-defense DVD´s and practice them.

You must understand that there are many different aspects about fighting. Most of the people get the impression that MMA techniques are the most efficient ones, but this is only partially true. You see, eye gauging, biting, balls kicking and other dirty games are a pretty important part of surviving in a confrontation.

Another aspect is: how much destructive do you want to be? How many attackers you will have? And knives? And guns? Therefore some compromises will be made - i.e., when you learn a certain style you automatically is NOT learning something else.

Not sure if my aswer helped... Therefore I will include some more (still lame) tips:

1. Workout as hell! Physical conditioning and strength means a lot. Phocus on muscular explosion too.

2. Movie-courses and sparring friend.

3. Imaginary fights. Phocus on variations and the "what-if" factor. Think dirty.

4. Kicks (use your punching bag). Also use your elbows and knees.

5. Learn pressure points and test it widely (including in yourself).

6. Make your punch be a miracle one (after all you´ve got all that time NOT trainning anything else...).

7. Learn meditations and breathing. It will help your concentration.

good luck.
Reply:Punching drills are good techiniques to improve speed and coordination. but you'll ned a partner to hold the target and move it to follow it and learn the coordination to hit it with better speed and timing, your TKD class will help you. also other techniques other than punching will help: back fist, elbows, knife hands, ridgehands.

If you can find a speed bag to practice on is good, either buy one from a sports store, or from online services like century.com, awma.com or a local gym might have a couple to practice with, plus if someone has had boxing experience might help you get the training you're looking for.

Whose fighting technique do you like the best?

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Jet Li? Stephen Segall? Bruce Lee? Wesley Snipes? Chuck Norris? Jackie Chan? Matt Damon ala Jason Bourne? Jason Statham? Jean-Claude Van Damme? Jennifer Garner? David Carradine (Kung Fu)? T1? T-101? TX?!? Bart Simpson? Or anyone I've not thought of?

Whose fighting technique do you like the best?
I left her in a puddle of her own p!ss and blood.
Reply:bruce lee and then van dam.

jason bourne as a overall spy, not a martial artist.
Reply:I like Darth Vader's.
Reply:Jason Statham.
Reply:Mine. I fight dirty.
Reply:spongebob squarepants %26amp; sandy cheek!
Reply:chuck norris
Reply:marc wahlberg or jet li
Reply:mine is better than his.

oh, are you talking about someone else? sorry
Reply:Bruce Lee
Reply:JENNIFER GARNER! ^_^
Reply:How about Clint Eastwood using a 44 to the skull. Why waste the energy when bullets are cheap?
Reply:I like Jet Li for sheer speed; Steven Segall for his brutality (snapping elbows, knees, etc); and Bourne for his resourcefulness. The Punisher was pretty good, too.
Reply:Jet Li ,hands down.
Reply:Jet Li and David Carradine, both are brilliant
Reply:You have to go with Chuck Norris!!

Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

The chief export of Chuck Norris is Pain.

There is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist.

Chuck Norris has two speeds. Walk, and Kill.

The leading causes of death in the United States are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Chuck Norris 3. Cancer

Chuck Norris drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

Chuck Norris is my Homeboy.

Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting.... CHUCK NORRIS GOES KILLING
Reply:Stephen Segal.

Charles Bronson.
Reply:Adriano Emperado.
Reply:Bruce lee! He could take a dime off of the palm of most people's hands and replace it with a penny before they had time to close it. he could sprig a 235 lb opponent 15 ft away with a 1 inch punch. His striking speed from 3 ft away with his hands down was 5 hundreths of a second.

Also, when filming a movie, he was so fast that he could not be captures on a 24fps camera, so they did a 32fps and had to SLOW IT DOWN. Most of the time they speed up martial arts fights in movies.
Reply:Bruce Lee -- he is the master, always will be.
Reply:Chuck Norris.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Need I say more? :D

What fighting technique is good?

2009-11-12T18:21:00.002-08:00

taekwondo? kung fu? boxing? kick boxing? any good ones with good attack and defense? tai? help btw the ones i dont have to pay for or a little

What fighting technique is good?
All of these fighting methods you mentioned are good in a fight, you just have to know how to use them to your advantage to make them work effectively for you. It also depends on the complexity of the art. for something like kung fu, taekwondo, karate you will have to train three to five years in order to be able to fight against anyone and win. If you do something like boxing or kickboxing, itll take you six months for you to be good. the reason being is that a martial art such as boxing has very few moves, so you practice those moves over and over until they become natural to you. something like taekwondo has alot of moves which takes years to learn and know how to do, so it usually takes you years to know what to take out and leave in so that it can work in your favor. For kicks and speed, go to Taekwondo, but depending on your teacher, he will either show you how to block and punch with your hands or he will disregard them completely. karate is almost the same as TKD but the diffrence being karate has alot more power and their use of hands and feet are 50/50 (theres a style of TKD called ITF which uses both hands and feet and is similar to karate). now if your looking for something simple and effective, go for boxing. its easy to pick up and its very effective for street fighting. but if you want something with kicks you can do kickboxing, but much better would be muay thai since that art emphesizes sheer strenght and raw power, and youll be able to take on anyone in the streets. but research on your own, use wikipedia, its a good source for all the info on the styles. I do warn you, everyone will tell you one art is better than another, but have an open mind and try to learn as much as you can. TKD may not have the best hand blocks and punches, but it does have the best kicks. boxing has really good punches, but no kicks. start with one and after a while mix it up, youll be glad you did.
Reply:muay thai
Reply:muay thai , owns all or muay thai and jiu jitsu together will own anthing
Reply:Any art mastered can beat any similar art not mastered. So just pick an art that appeals to you and master it. There all good.....
Reply:Misha, my advice would be to do one of two possibilities.

If you want to learn self defense, simply enroll in a self defense class. This is very practical. You will certainly learn some powerful moves you can use if someone tries to grab or hurt you. Perhaps more importantly, you should, in a good class, learn more about being aware of the people around you, and how to recognize potential trouble before it starts. You should also learn about the legal ramifications of defending yourself with force. The idea of self defense is to learn how to avoid trouble in the first place.

If you want to learn a fighting technique for fun and exercise (and maybe because it might give you self confidence as well) then just watch some videos of the different styles on the web and choose one you like. None of them are as effective as self defense training, again, because self defense teaches you to avoid trouble, whereas fight training just teaches you how to fight.

There are two main styles of fighting hand to hand. Wrestling (holds, locks, throws, etc.) and striking (punches, kicks, etc.).

If you like wrestling, then good old fashioned western wrestling is a great choice. Judo would come next, but takes longer to learn. The advantage of wrestling or Judo is that you can use the techniques without hurting someone badly.

If you like striking, as was mentioned by someone else, boxing is simple, powerful, and quick to learn. It is also great conditioning. The only problem with boxing (and any other striking sport like taekwondo, kung fu, or kick boxing), is that you will hurt someone if you use it for self defense. Judo or wrestling allows the same result without necessarily damaging your opponent. However, you did mention good attack and defense. Boxing has the best of both, and you can learn it rapidly, as already mentioned.

If you really want to be a military fighting machine, you can learn both wrestling and boxing (or any substitution) and then take a military-style fighting course such as the Russian fighting system called "Systema". Then, you will be too much for me!

Anyway, you can see that many people will have many different answers, and they are right for themselves, but just decide what you want to do (self defense, sport, or just some exercise), and then watch some videos for the style you like, and then visit a class. Any martial art can be fun, and you want to find something right for you, not someone else.

If you do not have much money, then there are a couple of possibilities. One is the programs offered at local community centers. These are usually much cheaper than enrolling in a martial arts school, and they sometimes offer self defense too. The other possibility is a real boxing-only gym (not for the faint-hearted). Some of the tough ones are a bit scary to visit, but the people who go there are not rich, so the costs are low. There, you will really learn what pugilism is all about.

One last word. Make sure you are comfortable with the instructor and the philosophy before you enroll. There should be a strong emphasis on safety and respect.

Good luck!!
Reply:Well you have grappling styles, Jiu jitsu, judo, wrestling etc. Then striking styles, Mauy Thai, karate, some kung fu styles. Nearly all striking styles have great attack and defense. Thai boxing concentrates on bag work, pad work, conditioning and sparring, karate concentrates on pretty much the same. I'm afraid you may have to pay where ever you train. Check some Internet sites for more information on styles

http://markschat.blogspot.com Fighting and Training Methods for Unarmed Martial Artists.
Reply:The best free one I can think of is long distance running.

What should be the normal length ratio between a person and his battling chinese long staff?

2009-11-12T18:21:00.001-08:00

First of all, there is nothing sick to the question.

I want to learn Kung fu long staff fighting and for that I need a staff of the correct length. I am 66" tall. What should be the long staff length for a 66" person? I am leaning towards taller, but how much?

And what is the normal ratio? (I know I can calculate it from your length suggestion, but spare me the trouble).

Anyway, I guess I really need a kung fu expert for this one. Help me...

What should be the normal length ratio between a person and his battling chinese long staff?
There are two staff heights used in Kung Fu

Eye-brow height, which is commonly known as a bo staff or monkey staff.

The longer staff or spear is around 3 1/2 feet taller than the person using it. Take your arm and raise it over your head. The staff should be around a foot taller than the tip of your finger. Since you asked me to do the math for you, that would make it 108" for you.

Keep in mind that if you intend on using the staff in competition, you may be limited by the amount of space you have to work with. If the staff is too long, it could work against you.
Reply:i'm not 100% percent sure but i always make my own bo.i make it so the end touches the tip of my nose.and from memory a bo and a chinese staff are pretty simular.
Reply:what is a staff???

is it long stick fighting ?

Best and worst martial arts magazines ever???

2009-11-12T18:21:00.000-08:00

Which martial arts magazines do you consider to be the best now and over the past years?

Here's my top list:

1. Black Belt (when Mito Utehara owned it!) (US)

2. Inside Kung Fu (US)

3. Karate/Kung Fu Illustrated (US)

4. Karate %26amp; Oriental Arts (UK)

5. Offical Karate (US)

6. Real Kung Fu (HK)

6. Fighting Arts (UK)

Worst:

1. European Black Belt (Eur)

2. Fighters (UK)

3. Budo (Eur)

4. Combat (UK)

5. Martial Arts Illustrated (UK)

6. Kung Fu/Wu Shu (US)

Best and worst martial arts magazines ever???
I pretty much agree with your list. I would change Fighting Arts from best to worst. I would change Budo from worst to best.
Reply:Best In Order

1) MMA Worldwide

2) The next issue of MMA Worldwide

3) TapouT Magazine ( it's counter part )

4) Then order all the missing issues. ( they have techniques from all the worlds best )

5) ThenMMAWorldwide Training Manual For All The techniques I will get in the future from TapouT amd all the inside info from MMAWorldwide

They are a combo and in my opinion the best. And I am Wu Shu as you all know ! But cool is cool. And I learn alot about the other side of MA. It's all to cool.

Worst;

Don't know as I found what I like so ....

Check out the issue with Chuck Liddell on the cover of TapouT, it has some awesome techniques in it. Then check out the MMAWorldwide with Grand Master Ron Van Browning on it. Cool in depth about some worlds best like Wally Jay, Jimi H. Woo , The Machado's, Shamrocks, Demura and more. Ron is well rounded in so many styles and in my opinion probably in experience and knowledge the Worlds Best , or close to. He also is a Golden Gloves Boxer, and trained the likes of Ty Fields in boxing.

I look at Erik Paulson and see what we could be, I look at Ron and see a source to become that.

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Who do you think would win in a band fight?

2009-11-12T18:20:00.003-08:00

Who do you think would win in a band fight?Asian kung-fu generation or beforu? Ive just thought of it to ask.

Who do you think would win in a band fight?
Wow! Fellow AKFG-er! Haven't met many of those before.

Did you mean a battle of the bands, or a full-out fist fight? Either way, I'm think Asian Kung-Fu Generation would probably win.

Bruce Lee vs UFC fighters?

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My question is a great fighter like Bruce Lee in our time now fighting UFC stle would some one like bruce Lee have a chance at all? has UFC type fighting made Kung Fu / Karate

obsolete??

Bruce Lee vs UFC fighters?
Wow, whats with everyone thinking Bruce Lee was only an actor? Really, there's a reason he's known as the number one most influential MARTIAL ARTIST of the 20th century. Above Royce Gracie, above Kazushi Sakuraba, above Mirko Cro Cop, above Ernesto Hoost, Anderson Silva, and even Yip Man, Mas Oyama, etc.

To rule him out simply because you think he was only an actor just shows that your parents must have been related and that obviuosly your the wannabe martial artist in the group. "Go on and play now Charlie, the adults are talking."

No he was not proven like others today are. However who here can honestly say that they actually could have had a chance against Bruce Lee when he was 28-30 years old? No one. Exactly. I haven't heard anything but good things about Bruce Lee from MMA guys, because those people along with REAL martial artists actually know what their talking about. Dana White, UFC president said that "Bruce Lee was the grandfather of mixed martial arts."

He might not have become a champ, but he sure as hell wouldn't haven't gotten murdered in the first few moments like some argue he would. Surely also if he competed in the 1960's and 1970's back when most everyone was still stuck within the box of a single style, he would have really been one hell of a fighter.
Reply:Excellent response What other people forgot or keep failing to mention is that bruce lee fought all the time. Before durning and after his movies. He always had a open invitation to anyone who wanted to challenge him to a fight and he never turned anybody down. Report It

Reply:correct. Lee fought a lot during his martial art %26amp; acting career. The fights were not 4 publicity. His school, Jeet Kune Do,is a combo of many styles-like MMA. Lee would EASILY dominate at 155lb wt/cl. Suggesting he would not be a good MMA fighter is clearly out of ignorance of his life %26amp; ability Report It

Reply:Bruce lee combined his style, Wing Chun with Boxing and Wrestling and Judo. So, I think he'd of done excellently in his weight class... which would be WEC, I don't think UFC has that light a category.
Reply:Bruce Lee was a great martial artist, but he was an actor, not a fighter.

Bruce Lee's athleticism alone would've made him a decent fighter, but that by itself is not enough against the well-round fighters.

Bruce Lee wouldn't have been able to compete in the UFC, he was too light (about 135lbs), the lightweight class is 155 lbs, and fighters cut weight from at least 165, so he would've faced guys much heavier than him.

He could've competed in other MMA organizations like WEC, as they have a 135 lb division.
Reply:Bruce Lee took what worked from anything he studied. (an argument can be made that he is the father of the modern mixed martial arts movement, but that's for another time)

If Bruce and MMA coexisted at the same moment in time, then Bruce surely would have learned from it, and it would have been the perfect venue for him to excel in.

Also, keep in mind that he was "challenged" often, and reputedly never lost (and these challenges weren't set up so that he only had to fight those in his weight class!). Is it far fetched to assume that he faced at least some grappling experts? (this seems to be the real issue when discussing whether Bruce Lee could have beaten modern MMA fighters)

The bottom line is he absolutely could have been a force to be reckoned with in the octagon.
Reply:Hahahaahahaha bruce lee would have had his little 130lb body handed to him.
Reply:You are all retarded, especially Frank the Tank. Bruce would have DESTROYED these guys....and he was a fighter in addition to being an actor.
Reply:i think bruce lee could actually fight as opposed to being just an actor, and his style was a blend of many so i think he would have been pretty effective, and besides he was smart enough that he would have adjusted to modern mma style ver quickly and would have ended up looking just like every other fighter out there within a year. and he would have to fight guys closer to his weight than the ufc has, maybe if they got a 130 lb division somewhere.

How to become a Power Ranger?

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Please, don't laugh, but for all my life I have always wanted to become a Power Ranger. People have told me that "Shawn, it's just a show!", but I refuse to believe that! I have honed my fighting and kung-fu skills for years to become the elite Purple Ranger! I have started designing my own Megazord and Power Ranger Megasuit to fight along side my Ranger friends and Zordon, my commander!! Please, tell me what else I can do to make my dream come true!!

How to become a Power Ranger?
hahaha seriously?
Reply:you still need an alpha 5 that will slave around for zordon...
Reply:What about your unmorphed powers such as telekinesis, super speed, and invisibility? Have you worked on any such capabilities?
Reply:It is just a show, for very young kids or people with low intelligence.
Reply:You need to find the rest of the Power Rangers. Then when you find each other, you need to fly far, far away. To never, ever return.
Reply:Talk to Bandai
Reply:Well, the bad woman rita told me about you wanting to become a purple ranger.

Rita and your commander have been fighting for over 10000 years

only because they used to be true lovers

but now

she says its up to you and find 5 other friends to join you

to fight her or else

SHELL NUKE YOU UP THE BUTTHOLE AND GAME OVER EVERYBODY IS DEAD
Reply:Dude... step away from the heroin!
Reply:I can't tell if your serious or not. If you are you are either: a) a loser b) on crack or c) crazy. If I were you I wouldn't tell anybody because this one kid at my school got made fun of really bad because he said he had 150 imaginary friends. He named 3 of them: Gengar, Pikachu, and Charmander.... all pokemon. I think your in the same boat as that kid. You'll need your mad kung-fu skills 'cause everyone at schools going to want to kick your sorry ***. btw I actually watched power rangers a few days ago because I was bored and do you know what I noticed? When they fight, they almost never touch the people the're fighting. They just jump and kick nowhere near the person, but the other guy falls for some reason.

What's the name of an arcade game (versus fighting genre) very popular in the 80s,with 4 playable characters?

2009-11-12T18:20:00.000-08:00

The 4 Playable Characters are:

1.A White Guy (should be Jack) - Capable of Blue Color Punch

2.A Black Guy (should be Smith) - Capable of Multi Punches

3.A Fat Guy (should be Joe) - Strong but Clumsy

4.A Chinese (should be Lee Chin) - Chinese Kung Fu!

To begin with,you as a player can choose any of the 4 characters above and fight the other 3.

Once these 3 characters are defeated,you will play a boss in a bar (dressed in pink color),whose name might be Coolio,he is a good fighter who can also wield a powerful iron chain,pretty tough to beat.

If this boss is beaten, the next fighter you'll face is your twin brother! (basically same character but different color tone)

Some of the stages are fought on 2D space(like Street Fighter),while some are pseudo-3D,where players can move about on a horizontal surface (like Double Dragon),he can even pick things (wooden boxes or beer barrels) up from ground and throw them at opponents!!

Any idea what's the name of this game?

What's the name of an arcade game (versus fighting genre) very popular in the 80s,with 4 playable characters?
a lot of games like this were made in the 80s and early 90s. If you want to find your favorate arcade game, you can go here: http://www.klov.com
Reply:Great! I've found it, it's "Violence Fight"!!

Thanks to "daking157"... Report It

Reply:Street Fighter 1

I need help with the name of a movie a saw a few years ago.?

2009-11-12T18:19:00.003-08:00

The movie may have been around the 80's and it had some young black guy who who acts chinese and knows kung fu and fights other black guys who wear shoulder pads and they have cool 80s music and i remember the characters glowing at some point

I need help with the name of a movie a saw a few years ago.?
The Last Dragon

Sho'nuff!
Reply:The Last Dragon
Reply:The Last Dragon aka Berry Gordy's The Last Dragon (1985)

IMDB summary:

A young man searches for the "master" to obtain the final level of martial arts mastery known as The Glow. Along the way, he must fight an evil martial arts expert and rescue a beautiful singer from an obsessed music promoter.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089461/

This is a very neat site with information about the film, which seems to have a cult following:

http://www.fast-rewind.com/

I watched it several times on a movie channel about 20 years ago but haven't seen it aired since. It would be fun to watch it again because it is rather an odd story.

Where can I see videos of martial arts in actual caught on tape instances?

2009-11-12T18:19:00.002-08:00

I want to see martial arts in actual instances. For instance someone having to use Karate in the streets. Or Kung Fu to fight off actual attackers.

Where can I see videos of martial arts in actual caught on tape instances?
dude..try youtube.com or metacafe.com
Reply:I am unsure the site. but there is a video out there of a karate black celt master in the streets next to his dojo and across the street you can seea black pimp smack around his black hoe, karate guy calls over the pimp, pimp starts to charge at karate man and just when he gets into reach the pimp starts to raise his hands but the karate man seriously karate chopped the pimps throat fast as lightning knocking the man down and renderring any pimpness left in him useless. The hoe and a cab driver helped the pimp up and put him in the cab off they were.
Reply:youtube maybe

trickstutorials.com teaches you moves using videos
Reply:comegetyousome.com and youtube
Reply:probably YouTue, but I don't know anyone who just carries around a camera waiting for someone toi attack them so they can get it on tape. Unless it is a security tape.

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Fighting styles from tekken?

2009-11-12T18:19:00.001-08:00

I wanna learn to fight like Jun and Xiaoyu Ling from Tekken. I have a choice of attending Karate, Kung fu, Wushu or tae kwon do. Which do you think would be best/closest to their styles? thanks xo

Fighting styles from tekken?
wing chun or shaolin kuen kung fu...for forms, wushu...or if you wanna kick that *** hard...try karate..,
Reply:tae kwon doe and karate are alot alike but prob. not the style your lookin for. kung fu is prob a good start. don't know to much wushu. i take tkd its alot of fun and a great work out.
Reply:taekwondo is pretty close to it since its a korean game and taekwondo is korean.
Reply:haha , I live to answer this question! tekken grand master right here!!! I kick *** with bryan fury muay thai , and Jin kazama kyukishin karate. Jun and xiayo , have a cumstomized style of wushu, and kung fu. mainly wushu tho

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rd8MxvyihJ0

and Tae kwon do , is korean , but its only the styles of hworang and beak. no one else dost tkd in tekken but those 2 characters.

Do people realize that Gun-Fu is a self defense martial style stared in the 1970s with Grand Master Archibeque

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i mean some people think of 'gun kata' a form of movies about kung fu shoot em up's but do people realize it as a deadly hand to hand style of fighting being taught in south puget sound , washington state for over 30 years?

Do people realize that Gun-Fu is a self defense martial style stared in the 1970s with Grand Master Archibeque
yes,you are right when it comes to that fact that it is a deadly weapon,i have been practicing it for 10 years,,but it is much older then 30 years..

its history goes back much farther.
Reply:huh? Sources?

If it's hand to hand you talking about, it's already not gun fu. But most likely it's just a different way of spelling Kung Fu. After all there are other versions of such as Quong Fu, Gung Fu, Quong Fu etc. similar to Chi Kung, Chi Quong and Chi Gung. That's what happens when you try to anglisize a language not meant for english tongues.

Now from what I just read about Isidro Archibeque, I'd say he's a very accomplished practitioner of Kung Fu, since he's attributed a mastery of Iron Hand, however his "Gun Fu" is obviously based on similar styles of Shaolin and Wushu. I'm sure that observing his dao you would find a lot of similarities with traditional Chinese Martial arts. Where as the movie style of Gun Fu is purely fictional style that requires a gun and is attributed to John Woo
Reply:1st off no one starts or creates a "new" style and anyone who claims to is a liar .

To create a new style you would have to create something entirely unseen before without any reference or prior practice of existing methods.

The best you can do is adapt some technique for which you may be or not be recognized for.But this recognation comes from those outside the system not because you believe or he said so.

kung fu/gung fu one is common chinese use the other is mandarin use .Both mean and describe the same thing.

Songs that cheer you up?

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Mine is "Everybody loves kung-fu fighting"

Songs that cheer you up?
.....those kicks are fast like lighting! :)

But I love this very old school song that goes:

"What you think?--huh

what feeeeel?, now

what you knooooow?, now

TO BE REAL!

I start dancing every time I hear it--reminds me of being very young and very free --now I'm showing my age :)
Reply:First Day Of My Life - The Rasmus
Reply:"It's Raining Men" Allelujah! What a great dance song!
Reply:NUMA NUMA!!!!
Reply:"I Cross My Heart" by George Strait
Reply:Sweet Home Alabama - Lynard Skynard

I'd Rather Be a Cowboy (Lady's Chains) - John Denver

Aloha
Reply:Don't worry be happy!
Reply:Pose by Hide
Reply:'magic' by pilot
Reply:Whenever I hear the Bare naked Ladies Song "If I had a million dollars" I can't help but break into a smile. I also can't help but chuckle when I hear the Hot Action Cop song "Fever for the flava," it is completely irreverent, but for some strange reason totally addictive.
Reply:Nothing but a good time by Poison
Reply:I'll wait for you, By Joe Nichols.
Reply:Kung Fu is good. I prefer Sabotage by the Beatsie Boys. I can't hear that and not viualize that video.
Reply:Old Time Rock and Roll- Bob Seger
Reply:Mine is "Pour Some Sugar On Me" by Def Leppard! Every time I hear that song, I bounce my head, play air guitar, and belt out the lyrics, especially the part leading up to the chorus... "C'mon, take a bottle, shake it up, break the bubble, break it up!!!!!"
Reply:My Humps

London Bridge

Gold Digger

Ridin'

U and Dat

Sexy Back
Reply:Worship music always cheers me up, because it helps me to focus on my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and then everything seems to be fine
Reply:"I'm alive" from Xanadu. Olivia Newton John and ELO.

Would you know the title of this song? please?

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it was from grey's anatomy season 4 episode 6- Kung Fu Fighting. here's the link, the song plays at the end part http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cc00XMTA2MD...

and from what i can hear, it has the lyrics:

tell me that you didn't try to check out my body and a bunch of other words said fastly.

its piano-based but has a hip tune, upbeat. and sounds like natasha bedingfield, or some familiar singer.

and the chorus just sings: doot doot doot, doot do doot do do...

thank you thank you! hope you can help me:)

Would you know the title of this song? please?
Merry Happy by Kate Nash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZmmF3K5W...

Enjoy :)
Reply:That song is called "Merry Happy" by Kate Nash. The lyrics can be found here:

http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/kate_n...

How good is your music knowledge? GO to the 70's or later. Who are the artists?

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Turn Back The Hands of Time

Native New Yorker

Kung Fu Fighting

How good is your music knowledge? GO to the 70's or later. Who are the artists?
Turn Back the Hands of Time - Tyrone Davis

Native New Yorker - Perry Blake

Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas
Reply:Native New Yorker was done by Oddessy

Maybe the title is Native New York Girl? Report It

What's the song name?

2009-11-12T18:17:00.003-08:00

I know the tune and everything but I dont know the title and artist!! it goes: "everybody was kung fu fighting, those cats were fast as lightning..."

What's the song name?
Here you go:

Kung Fu Fighting Carl Douglas

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

They were funky China men from funky Chinatown

They were chopping them up and they were chopping them down

It's an ancient Chineese art and everybody knew their part

From a feint into a slip, and kicking from the hip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung

He said here comes the big boss, lets get it on

We took a bow and made a stand, started swinging with the hand

The sudden motion made me skip now we're into a brand knew trip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they did it with expert timing

(repeat)..make sure you have expert timing

Kung-fu fighting, had to be fast as lightning

These are from: http://www.teamws.com/annoying.nsf/8c064...

There is also a place where you can listen to a clip of the song. : )

Hope this helps!
Reply:Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas
Reply:Carl Douglas

Kung Fu Fighting
Reply:The title is Kung Fu Fighting by Carl Douglas
Reply:kung fu fighting by carl douglas
Reply:Kung Fu Fighting
Reply:its called: kung fu fighting by carl douglas:

here is a link so you can listen to the song for free just so you can double check and make sure.

http://www.projectplaylist.com/musicsear...
Reply:it's called Kung fu fighting
Reply:Kung Fu Fighting is the name and sung by The Village People

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Reply:The name of the song is Kung Fu Fighting

Its Written by Carl Douglas....hope this helps...
Reply:Enjoy the VIDEO:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ccp6Is7sFHY%26amp;m...
Reply:Kung Fu Fighting Carl Douglas

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

They were funky China men from funky Chinatown

They were chopping them up and they were chopping them down

It's an ancient Chineese art and everybody knew their part

From a feint into a slip, and kicking from the hip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung

He said here comes the big boss, lets get it on

We took a bow and made a stand, started swinging with the hand

The sudden motion made me skip now we're into a brand knew trip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they did it with expert timing

(repeat)..make sure you have expert timing

Kung-fu fighting, had to be fast as lightning

My fiance and I are arguing over our song for the first dance...?

2009-11-12T18:17:00.002-08:00

I want Kung Fu Fighting or the Afternoon Delight or the Bar song from Star Wars, but he says I'm being too silly and it has to be a romantic song. I'd rather have fun and pick a funny song than be romantic. What do you think? I already compromised when I agreed not to walk down the aisle to Darth Vader's theme song. Do weddings have to be so stuffy and boring??

My fiance and I are arguing over our song for the first dance...?
No but what's funny now may not be so funny twenty years from now. I think you should listen to your fiance more and not worry about being so stuffy/boring. For the first dance, you should pick a song that has meaning for both of you.
Reply:I don't think of it as stuffy, just traditional and it sounds like that is what he is wanting. I think the songs you have picked out are a bit out there, but it is your wedding also and there should be compromises. Look on youtube.com at wedding first dances. There are a lot of fun dances on there you can get ideas from that he might like. He can also see that it doesn't have to be slow and romantic, the guests love the fun dances!!
Reply:Hahahaha, that is totally the opposite of myself and my fiancé! He would love to have Star Wars involved in our wedding! To answer your question though, no, weddings don't HAVE to be so stuffy and boring. On the other hand, how many suggestions has your fiancé offered in regards to planning the wedding? Probably not too many, right? I would suggest that if he is quite opposed to having a funny song as your first dance, you should probably try to reach a compromise, or let him pick. Why don't you incorporate the songs you want into the rest of the dancing?
Reply:Weddings are what you make of them....romantic, funny, off the wall, etc. However, it is something you and your fiance should decide on together. It's both of your wedding. Keep trying to find something both of you can agree on. You don't want the whole day upsetting because of songs.
Reply:OK for my bfflads wedding she started her first song with a romantic slow song and then half way through that song she kicked into the YMCA and it was the awseomest thing ever i absolutely loved it so creative and funny love love loved it totally do that weddings and marriages are about compromising and that's the ultimate compromise.
Reply:You can have something unique and non-stuffy and non-boring while compromising with your fiance.

The first dance is supposed to be memorable and romantic, not a joke.
Reply:Ah, what a nice man you have. Let him choose a lovely first dance song for the two of you, and just BE GRATEFUL. Have a later dance be to those songs you suggest! Of course, weddings can be fun! They should be!

You should walk into the reception to the Cantina song - that would be cool.
Reply:nope i wasnt make a chose together
Reply:With my husband I danced to Tom Waits "Little Trip to Heaven"

We did something neat when I danced with my dad. We danced to our daddy daughter song and then right after we broke into the twist.
Reply:not all weddings are stuff and boring, you don't want to make a mockery of yours by being over the top silly and childish. Instead of dancing to a slow song, dance to a faster romantic song, like "calling you" by blue october.
Reply:Why don't you start off with a boring romantic song, dance a bit with your husband, then with your dad, then have the band break into Kung fu fighting, and you can dance with your husband. If he does not want to dance with you, then choose his best man. Someone should want to dance with the bride something fun at your wedding.

Music playlist for boxing..?

2009-11-12T18:17:00.001-08:00

I am putting together a gag playlist for my gym... which is all kickboxing, boxing, and other martial arts.

So far, I am trying to make it as cheesy as possible. I've got the Mortal Kombat theme, Eye of the Tiger, the rocky theme, and that old disco song Everyone was Kung Fu Fighting.

What else could I throw in there? Turn up the cheese, guys!

Music playlist for boxing..?
We are the champions (Queen)

I won't back down (Tom Petty)

Street Fighting Man (Stones)
Reply:the montage song from team america "you gotta have a montaaage, even rocky had a montage!"
Reply:We're Not Gonna Take it - Twisted Sister

NON CHEESY BUT STILL GOOD

Move -Thousand Foot Crutch

Frontline - Pillar
Reply:Youre the Best- Karate Kid Sound Track

The Touch ( from Boogie Nights)

http://axiomsun.com/home/video/dirk_digg...

Passion - Rod Stewart

Danger Zone- Kenny Loggins

The Glow -Willie Hutch (Last Dragon Soundtrack)

Let me know if you need more.

Almost forgot: No Easy Way Out - Robert Tepper (Rocky IV)

And dont forget Maniac from Flashdance LOL
Reply:Anime Martial Art song Could work.

Anyone know and good Oldie songs?

2009-11-12T18:17:00.000-08:00

Here some of the What I Have so Far:

Manic Monday

Little Willy Won't go Down

One Way or Another

Kung Fu Fighting

American Pie

War

I will Surive

I have some Janis Joplin and Johnny Cash

I have some Ray Charles

Its' My Party

Can you recommend some other good songs to download. I liste to all types of music

Anyone know and good Oldie songs?
Build me up Buttercup
Reply:monster mash
Reply:download some Smokey Robinson,Mary Wells,Al Green,Temptations,Delfonics (these are some artists) you pick the song you want
Reply:What Becomes of the brokenhearted by Jimmy Ruffin and anything by Fats Domino
Reply:Money (That's What I Want) - The Beetles

Dream Lover - Bobby Darin

I Only Wanna Be With You - Dusty Springfield

Rebel, Rebel - Sir David Bowie

(I know, but I'm hoping the "Sir" catch on)
Reply:Wild Thing-Troggs, You lost that loving feeling -Elvis Presley, My Sharona - The Knack, Lion sleeps tonight, My boyfriends back., The Leader of the pack. Bridge over trouble waters, any Neil Diamond song , Roy Orbison.
Reply:Hit the Road Jack by Ray Charles; Yesterday, Paperback Writer and Get Back by the Beatles; Get down tonight by KC and the Sunshine Band; Rock your baby by George McCrae; Rock the Boat by Hues Corporation; Dance to the music by Sly and the Family Stone; Summertime Blues by Blue Cheer; Mississippi Queen by Mountain; My Sharona by the Knack; Boogie Oogie by A Taste of Honey ; Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen; Jumpin Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man, (I Can't get no) Satisfaction, Brown Sugar and Honky Tonk Women by the Rolling Stones. I hope you like these songs I picked out. I got a lot more songs if you need anymore.
Reply:Early Stevie Wonder (when he was still Little Stevie Wonder)
Reply:50 way to leave your lover - Paul Simon

The Great Pretender - Freddie Mercury

peach fruit

Super mega awesome penguins?

2009-11-12T18:16:00.003-08:00

Your personal thoughts on Super-Mega-Ultra-penguins BOOOOYAAAAA! :D I visualize them pummeling ninjas and robots and zombies and pirates while the songs Kung fu fighting or Mortal Kombat play loudly!

Super mega awesome penguins?
just kick them in the face really hard, then they're done.
Reply:sure, i'd pay for that.

especially live.
Reply:why hasn't anyone cashed in on this idea yet?

I Need Chinese Music?

2009-11-12T18:16:00.002-08:00

Can anyone give me the names of some chinese music i can use in my kung fu videos. Maby some old folklore music.

Please do not say stuff like Kung Fu fighting...

I Need Chinese Music?
Try some of these:

http://rapidshare.com/files/41228621/Tai...
Reply:There are some soundtracks from a few martial art films that are pretty good:

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

House of Flying Daggers

Hero

Curse of the Golden Flower

The Banquet
Reply:you can go to youtube and get some ideas

and kung fu fighting is an american song and for those that think it is chinese well ur guys are kinda stupid no offense
Reply:If you want traditional Chinese music played on traditional instruments maybe you should ask this question over in the MUSIC or Asian culture section?

I Need Chinese Music?

2009-11-12T18:16:00.001-08:00

Can anyone give me the names of some chinese music i can use in my kung fu videos. Anything is good.

Please do not say stuff like Kung Fu fighting...

I Need Chinese Music?
A kung fu video?

How about Fearless by Jay Chou.

Or maybe Jing Wu Men by Show Luo... I'm not sure what the English name is, but the characters are 精舞門

I hope I got the pin yin right, lol.
Reply:Raiko-they have awesome music that would be great in a movie like that =]. They aren't Chinese, actually they are Japanese, but they have that kung-fuu sound to them.
Reply:I totally agree with Sonatina.

Fearless by Jay Chou, definitely.

祝你好运 :]
Reply:chou nan ren by huang yida

it's good u can download here http://www.4shared.com/account/file/2335...

or from limewire

listen to it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDxlkYBb-...

I have this song in my head, and I want it to be in your head because Loving is Sharing isn't it?

2009-11-12T18:16:00.000-08:00

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

They were funky China men from funky Chinatown

They were chopping them up and they were chopping them down

It's an ancient Chineese art and everybody knew their part

From a feint into a slip, and kicking from the hip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they fought with expert timing

There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung

He said here comes the big boss, lets get it on

We took a bow and made a stand, started swinging with the hand

The sudden motion made me skip now we're into a brand knew trip

Everybody was kung-fu fighting

Those cats were fast as lightning

In fact it was a little bit frightning

But they did it with expert timing

make sure you have expert timing

Kung-fu fighting, had to be fast as lightning

I have this song in my head, and I want it to be in your head because Loving is Sharing isn't it?
you evil person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Reply:arrr!! i already manage to forget that song! how could you!
Reply:Kung Fu Fighting by Carl Douglas
Reply:Haha thanks a lot!! lol now that song is going to be in my head the rest of the night... haha I'll be drunk singin EVERYBODY WAS KUNG FU FIGHTING!!! hahahahahaha
Reply:Okay. Time to practice those flying roundhouse kicks again...
Reply:oh crap!! and i just got it out of my head a while ago! jerkface!!!
Reply:Yo VIP let's kick it

Ice ice baby (x2)

All right stop collaborate and listen

Ice is back with my brand new invention

Something grabs a hold of me tightly

Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly

Will it ever stop yo I don't know

Turn off the lights and I'll glow

To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal

Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle

Dance go rush to the speaker that booms

I'm killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom

Deadly when I play a dope melody

Anything less than the best is a felony

Love it or leave it you better gain weight

You better hit bull's eye the kid don't play

If there was a problem yo I'll solve it

Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it

CHORUS

Ice ice baby vanillla (x4)

Now that the party is jumping

With the bass kicked in and the vegas are pumpin'

Quick to the point to the point no faking

I'm cooking MC's like a pound of bacon

Burning them if you ain't quick and nimble

I go crazy when I hear a cymbal

And a hi-hat with a souped up tempo

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo

Rollin' in my 5.0

With my rag-top down so my hair can blow

The girlies on standby waving just to say hi

Did you stop no I just drove by

Kept on pursuing to the next stop

I busted a left and I'm heading to the next block

The block was dead

Yo so I continued to A1A Beachfront Avenue

Girls were hot wearing less than bikinis

Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis

Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine

Shay with a guage and Vanilla with a nine

Reading for the chumps on the wall

The chumps acting ill because they're so full of eight balls

Gunshots rang out like a bell

I grabbed my nine all I heard were shells

Falling on the concrete real fast

Jumped in my car slammed on the gas

Bumpet to bumper the avenue's packed

I'm trying to get away before the jackers jack

Police on the scene you know what I mean

They passed me up confronted all the dope fiends

If there was a problem yo I'll solve it

Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it

REPEAT CHORUS

Take heed 'cause I'm a lyrical poet

Miami's on the scene just in case you didn't know it

My town that created all the bass sound

Enough to shake and kick holes in the ground

'Cause my style's like a chemical spill

Feasible rhymes that you can vision and feel

Conducted and formed

This is a hell of a concept

We make it hype and you want to step with this

Shay plays on the fade slice like a ninja

Cut like a razor blade so fast other DJs say damn

If my rhyme was a drug I'd sell it by the gram

Keep my composure when it's time to get loose

Magnetized by the mic while I kick my juice

If there was a problem yo I'll solve it

Check out the hook while Shay revolves it

Ice ice baby vanilla

Ice ice baby (oh-oh) vanilla

Ice ice baby vanilla

Ice ice baby vanilla ice

Yo man let's get out of here

Word to your mother

Ice ice baby too cold

Ice ice baby too cold too cold (x2)

Ice ice baby
Reply:Where is the love? This is so racist. I am offended.
Reply:Wow this has made me want to visit my sensei Mr Tanaka and relive my old acting days..
Reply:Karma Karma Karma Karma KarmaChameleon

you come and gooooo

you come and gooooo oooo oooo

right back at cha babe!
Reply:it funny cause when i read the first two words of the first line, i just sung the rest.....

you couldve easily been singing everybody was having a good time....or whatever

and yup, thanks to you, i am singing it and now my four year old daughter is too!

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Reply:Like the song but I have trouble loving as that Dog who nicked my heart made me so *%"!?%26gt;%26lt;:@~~~@~
Reply:Well everybody, was bird flue fighting,

it struck, as fast as Lightening.

And we did'nt see the writting, On the wall,

That's frightening.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Eyyyyyyyyyyy Ohhhhhhhhhh.

When you gotta go, You gotta go.
Reply:la la la la la la,la la la la la la,cant get it outta my head,boy your kung fu fighting is driven me mad,la la la.............!!!
Reply:no!!

grrr darn you lol i just got my own song out of my head!

haha well thanks for that

;) xx
Reply:i will sing you a song that will get on your nerves x get on your nerves x get on your nervesxxxxx
Reply:i would rather have a different song in my head.

Has any1 with tai chi experienced ever beat a kung fu, boxer, or kickboxer?

2009-11-12T18:15:00.000-08:00

If u had experience in tai chi, did u ever use tai chi and only tai chi to fight someone effectively? If not do you think it would be effective?

Has any1 with tai chi experienced ever beat a kung fu, boxer, or kickboxer?
I am sure that a practitioner of Tai Chi has defeated a boxer or a kick-boxer at some point and time. There is some confusion going here as to whether Tai Chi is a martial art and for good reason. I do have experience with Tai Chi, but it was not the self-defense branch that has only recently sprouted.

I remember 20 years ago in Kowloon Park the only people practicing Tai Chi were mostly what looked like 70 year old women. They are still there every morning to this day.

However, Tai Chi has been developed into a Martial Art since that time and very much resembles Kung Fu. From what I saw this mostly happened on the islands of Hong Kong where the SAR (Special Administrative Region) residents had some resentment toward practicing the mainland art that we call Kung Fu. Both come from the Qi Gong tree and Principles of the Yellow Emperor.

Either way, Tai Chi is fluid. It is has laways been considered a hard-water elemental art. Although I can find no evidence of Tai Chi being used in self defense prior to the last 20 years. Everything that goes to the West gets commericalized and some confusion is created in the process. I hope this explanation helps to clear up some of the confusion of the answers as most MA see Tai Chi as a soft art.

At the same time, the questioner in this case has done little to demonstrate that he is, or ever has studied Tai Chi. There no need for a harsh defense in the additions to the original question. Instead there should be explanation and sharing of knowledge if that knowledge is present. It does not appear to be in this case.
Reply:I'm pretty sure Tai chi is really only used for exercising, and it's not really a valid Martial art for self defense.
Reply:I do Chen style Taiji. Different schools emphasize different aspects of Taiji. Some stress the health aspects, and some stress fighting. Taiji (and any other martial art) is only as effective as the practitioner. A so-so practitioner of any style doesn't stand a chance against a dedicated practitioner of any other style.

Having said that, Chen style Taijiquan is highly effective, if you spend A LOT of time on it. It takes at least 5 years to begin to understand the fighting aspect, unlike some other styles with more immediate applicability. A friend of mine who is former Navy, and a grappler / boxer took taiji, and found it very useful.

Taiji stresses close-range combat with largely elbow and shoulder strikes, which are very painful and useful on the streets. Try it for yourself. Do some "push hands" with a taiji practitioner.
Reply:My Wing Chun Sifu does Tai Chi and uses it in sparring regulary, every time he does he hands me my **** on a plate. He's been doing it for 12 years though and train combat application so he should know how to do it properly.
Reply:I have done tai chi but i wouldn't dare use it cause i would get my *** kicked. I would doubt it would work because with tai chi you do it on your own you have no one to practice with.

Where on the other hand kickboxing they train with other people so they have more experience in fighting more "hands on"
Reply:Nope, only if the non Tai Chi guy was blindfolded, hands and feet tied and drunk.
Reply:NO YOU ARE DUMB GO HOME LOSER!
Reply:Taiji IS a kung fu discipline!

It sounds like "Reality" has only practiced the forms.

Taiji is also taught as a martial art This includes practicing with/against an opponent or multiple opponents AFTER you have learned the forms.

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Reply:Ive beaten capoeira practitioners with tai chi. Sure it is very hard to keep tai chi from dring a heated capoeira match, but it really put the match in my favor.

I have aslo beaten kung fu practitioners with just tai chi. I instinctively react tai chi style in a fight, and it always brings good things.

I wouldn't reccomend trying this if you are a beginner at tai chi.

Also, my shaolin-do school has many partner exercises in tai chi, THere are many ways to practice tai chi on someone.
Reply:When I was in my mid twenty’s, and a ranked fighter, with blinding speed. I was schooled by an old, bald, fat tai chi man, in a sparring session.

What is seven star praying mantis kung fu like?

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I only know a little of what it is like because I've seen a couple videos. I want to know stuff like what it focuses on and if it is fun to do or if it is difficult. Also, if you know it and you got in a fight with someone how affective was it?

What is seven star praying mantis kung fu like?
Seven Star Praying Manis is very similar to Wing Chun. In fact sometimes you will be competing in the same tournaments.
Reply:it is kung fu, if you ever taken kung fu, you know if not sure would would like it , but if i were you i would take a shaolin or kuo shu type of kung fu they teach many different animal forms of kung fu

meekoe2

11 degree chain belt

Whats the Difference between Kung Fu, Hopkido, and Karate?

2009-04-26T18:52:00.002-07:00

I know I am being very vague, becuase there are different styles of each but I would like to know becuase I really want to take one thats fits these requirements:

1.I like showy Flips and Handsprings

2.To fight with weapons

3.to get in shape

4.Relieve Stress

5.break cynder blocks with my fists

I know I watch too many movies But I have been dying to take some kind of martial art and I really want to learn somthing.

please Help!

Whats the Difference between Kung Fu, Hopkido, and Karate?
O.K. It sounds to me like you want Kung-Fu.

Kung-Fu is Chinese and is the oldest of them. It's got alot of flash and is very showy, they use some real cool looking weapons and it's good for winning tournaments. You will not break blocks or boards with it but you will do all the other stuff. It is not a very effective art for real life self defense.

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mar...

Hapkido is a Korean art that involves locks and throwing. It has no weapons and doesn't sound like it meats any of your requirements. It could be effective in real life self defense after years of training.

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido

Karate is a Japanese art and involves punching and kicking. This is the art where you break boards and blocks. Karate is the art that teaches how to throw a proper punch or kick using all of your body. The breaking of boards is used as an example to demonstrate this power. The weapons they use are Bo (staff), sword and Nunchaku (nun chucks). It only fits numbers 3 and 5 of your requirements. It is very effective for real life self defense.

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

Go to your local clubs and watch some classes

Good luck and HAVE FUN!
Reply:There is no short answer. All the martial art styles have much in common with each other. The things that you seek will depend more on the instructor than the style. The best approach is to visit some classes to get an idea of what is being taught, then talk with the instructor if you are interested in learning more. A good instructor will be happy to make time for you. If they don't, run away!

Don't expect to learn flips and handsprings in a traditional martial arts class. Try a gymnastics class for that.
Reply:Well, the difference is more in the school and not the style. if you want a more traditional training in the martial arts, you will fight with weapons, and relvieve stress. if you want something flashy, then you will break boards and flip around all over the place you'll get in shape with any art you take, depending on how seriously you study it. just like the guy before me said, visit some schools around your area and look at what they do. if you like what you see, try it out. But keep in mind that real martial arts are very little like what you see in the movies.
Reply:Hapkido is a korean martial arts that uses force redirection. It has lots of joint locks.

Karate is okinawan. It has lots of strikes.

Kung Fu (more appropriately "wushu") (and its chinese) is so varied and distinct that it defies easy definition. ALthough schools are very external (striking, strength based)

Just search wikipedia. I believe that they recently cleaned up the martial arts articles.
Reply:from what you described as what your looking for in a martial art, it sounds to me like wushu kung fu would be good for you.. you say you watch a lot of movies, you know jet li right? well, his primary art is wushu, he was actually a national champion in china when he was a child. wushu has become less of a martial art in sense of defense and more acrobatic in style, older masters and practioners call modern wushu, contemporary wushu, but none the less, it's a beautiful art full of high flying moves, deep stances, amazing aerial acrobatics, beautiful weapons forms and more.. http://www.ckfa-kungfu.com/wushu/

as for hapkido is an effective self-defense and as such employs joint locks, pressure points, throws, kicks, and other strikes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido

karate, on the other hand is known primarily as a striking art, featuring punching, kicking, knee/elbow strikes, open handed, and breaking techniques: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate

but from what you listed as your interests, i'd say wushu kung fu, or some form of chinese martial art might suit you best...

good luck!
Reply:If you want to do gymnastics as well as martial arts, you should try capoeira or wushu. They are very physically demanding and showy. Wushu also uses lots of weapons.
Reply:They are all spelled differently!
Reply:kung fu the moves you do reflex the image of different animal's it good for speed flips .hopkido came from akido basically it the same thing but you add kicks to it good for throwing people breaking bones coming out on top of a group of people and flipping them all at once the are good with swords and BO or staff

but the training is very intents. karate is good for kicks breaking block with fist but if i was you ill go for hopkidp its the best out of them all you learn more out of it and love the forms frome it
Reply:The best information source I know of and that I feel gives the most neutral, honest info is

http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/

Good Luck
Reply:they all kick
Reply:I have experience in Hapkido and Karate...some knowlegdge of Kung Fu so here goes:

First...Flips and Handsprings ... you are looking for XMA which is extreme martial arts and designed to be flashy but not effective in a real fight. You try and kick someone in the head and you just lost the fight... But it does look cool.

2) Weapons - all use weapons

3) All of these will get you in shape

4) all will relieve stress

5) Karate does breaks, Hapkido not really into breaking as its cousin art Tae Kwon Do is and Kung Fu does not do breaks (from what I have seen).

So, with that said...here are the basics.

Hapkido is, in layman's terms, a mix of aikido, karate, and tae kwon do. It includes defenses and strikes of karate, kicks of TKD, and joint/circular movements of aikido. There are differances, however, that is at a more detailed level. In a good school you will be required to kick, do rolls/flips (not handsprings etc but how to roll out of a lock).

A key principal of Hapkido (and Aikido) is to take the attackers energy and use it against him/her much like steven segal.

Karate is more force on force. Requires more strength training but an opponent whom is stronger is more likely to win than a weaker one. As to the physical training vs. Hapkido it really depends upon the school. I moved from NYC doing Hapkido at a great school to Vegas where I took up Kempo Karate where the school required almost no physical training (quite and found a good Hapkido school again).

Kung Fu will fall closer to Karate but a good school will also include some joint locks etc. Training again will be dependant upon the school.

Your best option is to figure out what style you like to learn first. I am cross training at this point which is a good balance. No art is better than the next as each has its strong/weak points. Try doing gymnastics and one art at a good school rather than gymnastics and an art you really like at a bad school...
Reply:well, if you want to do all those, i will recommend you something like ninjitsu, they do flips,fight with weapons, you get in shape and can be able to break stuff with your fist, even tho the last one i mentioned takes more practice than the others.

heres the thing, hapkido is more about using your opponent's attacking momentum against him (i used to practice hapkido) and its more about smooth movement making the opponent lose balance etc.

kung fu...theres different types of kung fu, from shaolin, seven stars praying mantis, to tai chi wich is a more calm style of kung fu.

same thing with karate, theres a lot of styles out there that maybe you can do all what you are looking for.
Reply:Kung Fu - Chinese

Hapkido - Korean

Karate - Japanese

All traditional martial arts. Hapkido works the best in the street.
Reply:all your requirements = kung fu

for flips, handsprings, acrobatic/gymnastic type stuff will be wushu, monkey style (5 animal form kung fu), and kung fu

fight with weapons, kung fu and the rest

relieve stress, get a punching bag and unleash your kung fu

breaking cinder blocks, kung fu
Reply:Kung fu has different meaning in animal forms hopkido is a style from Taekwondo and Karate is different from each other anyways there all different thanks

Shaolin kung fu in orange county?

2009-04-26T18:52:00.001-07:00

Hey anyone know of a good school that isn't expensive, teaches forms, does not go easy on the students, and has some sparring?

I have visted several schools in the area "shao-lin kf" schools but their forms lack discipline, and the teachers seemed a bit odd. The wushu places don't fight, but their forms are great.. i'm not looking for karate or tae kwan do or a mix of any such thing.

Shaolin kung fu in orange county?
well, I go to OC all the time and that place has the worst places to learn martial arts. u better take wushu because its flexible btu8 look for a school thats organized, like exactly what u learn in a rank, free private lessons, culture, pride, cleanliness, and mass decorations in the place to show how they prosper, look for teachers that shoe respect, and students who dont compete over each other. Most martial arts in OC is crappy and its mostly teachers that have learned at a rec and opened a small buisness for money. look for places with links to tournament organaizations that are big or federations that are famous like National Wushu Federation because that shows that they are legit and that they have contact with them.
Reply:Welcome to the internet my friend... how may I help you?

perhaps a simple search for Kung fu in Orange county?

processing.....

http://www.yellowpages.com/sp/yellowpage...

thank you and come again!

Remember, when you surf the internet! always wear a condom on your head! Virus's are everywhere!!!
Reply:if you're an adult and not some 14 year old punk and if you have the balls- got to China, you can become a student and learn it all first hand. but they will punish you physically.

http://www.shaolin-wushu.de/en/main_fr.h...

Is the "raising fighting spirit" in guitar hero 3?

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the raising fighting spirit ---- Asian Kung Fu Generation.

Is the "raising fighting spirit" in guitar hero 3?
No It is not in Guitar Hero 3. :]
Reply:no
Reply:I just got that game for Wii

What is this kung fu movie?

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whats this martial arts comedy movie? i cant remember the name all i remember is there is a chinese gang bullying people in this village. these 3 guys are fighting them, i remember one of them takes these metal rings off of a shower curtain around his arms and starts hitting people with them. then the leader of the gang shows and asks who did this? and the main character says i did...

tahts all i remember. anybody know what this movie is??

What is this kung fu movie?
kung fu hustle with stephen chow

its a great film
Reply:Hmmm...

It sounds alot like Kung Fu Hustle

Hope this helps

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PLEASE help me find the name of a certain kung fu movie?

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im looking for a kung fu movie that is pretty old school it looks like it was made in the 70's or 80's i cant remember what it was about but all i know is that there where japanese characters who came to china to fight and no it is not shaolin challenges ninja i checked already. all i remember was the last fight where the japanese man who had long red hair and wearing black kendo uniform was fighting a chinese dude with short hair and a mustache they both fought and i think they both died im not sure but please helpp!

PLEASE help me find the name of a certain kung fu movie?
sounds like 90% of the 80's kung fu movies
Reply:twas a bruce lee flick? was there blood spurting?

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How to choose a good place to learn kung fu?

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Hi.

I am willing to learn Kung Fu. Since it's a long way, deals with conditioning and has do do with fighting (not only, but it does), then I am being very careful.

What should I look for? What should I avoid? What are the dangers?

For example, what does a good academy look like? How important the "lineage" is? What to expect from an academy that says they have sparring classes? What about those that don't? Also, how important and how dangerous is Chi Kung, as used in Kung Fu?

I live in Brazil (in São Paulo), and although I did look at some academies ehre, I feel like I just can't tell who's who, and which instructors are serious and which are not. There are even some who learn from one master, then change to another, and well, this is kind of confusing. I also see masters criticizing one another (even if in a subtle way), but I suppose this is "normal".

(See, I don't really care about the "style". I am mostly concerned with authenticity and safety.)

How to choose a good place to learn kung fu?
china
Reply:At tiger Shaulmans karate school hi-ya!
Reply:Kung Fu, is a lifestyle for personnel fulfillment which includes a fighting art with it.It sounds like you are searching for that rather than a aggressive fighting art.Approach the sifus or masters with this in mind and be honest with them about it.Also the best of them will wish for students like this rather than ones that only take it to only learn to fight.Go with your own personal gut feelings in this respect.Also remember, that if you go to a major commercial establishment, that is what you will get, commercial mass produced results that may push you to fast to earn your various sashes thus keeping you happy and willing to spend your money.which could cause you unnecessary injuries in the long run.seek sifus or masters out that are off the beaten path and the very best ones I found seemed like that did not want me around even though I liked them.(they later told me that they had to make sure I was sincere and was determined to keep coming back and that I did earnestly until they eventually capitulated.Good luck with your endeavor and may the powers that be, shine on your path and show you the way.

PS. various forms of mental illnesses formed via martial arts(if it was true!) only happen to people that are unstable to begin with.

As for the Iron Palm training.To do it properly,will take you a little over a year to do safely, so you don't wind up with a paralyzed hand that looks like cow horn.Also it includes a handed down recipe for a liniment called DI DAT JOW, the spelling varies as well as the recipes from place to place but this fowl smelling stuff is necessary to prevent this damage and maintain your hands integrity.If they do not use this DO NOT use them! Plus Iron Palm is a supplement to a kung fu system,not a stand alone system.(such as Dim Mak).
Reply:Any Martial Art you study will have a degree of danger to it, the injury factor will always be there, especially if you don't perform the techniques you'll learn properly.

A good Martial Arts school should have a clean and friendly atmosphere. and instructors that want to help you to become the best Martial Artist you can be. and they shouldn't hassle you about contracts and such.

There isn't a "Best fit" type of Martial Art for people with a certain height, weight, body type, or personality, etc. Nor is there a such thing as a "best Martial Art" because they all have their own strengths and weaknesses

Any Martial Art you study is going to help you learn better balance, better coordination, speed in your technique, and power in your techniques; but these are attributes that are products of GOOD and PROPER training.

all you need to do dude is find out what schools are available to you, and choose at least three that interest you the most, watch a couple of their classes to see if you want to take up some trial classes (up to a weeks worth without being hassled to sign a contract).

If you like the school, then enroll in it. Any Martial Art is going to show you how to utilize your body by learning self defense.

You just need to find a Martial Arts School that will provide a safe environment for you and your parents agree on it. You are right about studying a particular discipline. because it DOESN'T MATTER because there is NO discipline that is better than another.

What matters is that you feel comfortable (and like the classes) in the classes and you feel comfortable that the instructor can properly teach you self defense and not have the "smoke and mirrors" aspect. and that the instructor likes to do it more for the teaching aspect rather than the "making money" which it is a business to make money but it should not be the only reason for teaching the discipline.

just watch out for school's that're a "McDojo's" or "belt factory" type of school.

these schools usually do a lot of boasting about how soon their students make their 1st degree black belts (like having several "young black belts" that're usually 9 or 10 yr old kids, which should be a rare thing to see unless the child started learning the discipline when they were 4 yrs old), and often boast about students making their black belts in about a year’s time (which it should be up to 5 years or better) which often means that they have a high student turnout rate.

They'll also often try to get you to commit to a contract, usually one that's 6 months long or more or try to get you to pay down a large sum of money for that kind of time period. which is a BIG red flag

These schools will also brag about how many tournaments their students have entered and placed in or won a trophy. While Tournaments are good to go to and test your own skills as a point sparring contestant, but competitions are the LEAST important aspect to concern yourself with in Martial Arts.

Long story short, these schools will basically "give" you your belt ranks every few months as long as you are paying the outrageous fees per month, and you won't really learn self defense.

there's always going to be schools that think their Martial Art is the best, but that's been going on for hundreds of years and it's no different today. Unfortunately it will continue, until these people realize the discipline they study isn't better than any other.

"lineage" shouldn't be a big concern unless the instructors can't tell you about the history of the discipline and who they learned it from or what affiliation the school has with a national organization.

Sparring should be a basic and integral part of your training, because it should help you with your timing and use of the techniques you learn.
Reply:Be very interested in the style you will be studying. Identify which lineage it is from and read about it. If you do find this school has reference to the lineage, and you want to study, check out a class. Then talk to the Sifu. If you are sincere he may let you study with him. A good Sifu will not teach just anyone.

lr

the Qi Gung mental disorder myth is just a myth...

http://www.pacificwingchunassociation.co...
Reply:I am a karate instructor of traditional chito ryu karate. If you are looking for a school here are some suggestions

Most good schools will let you watch a class and try one out befoe you decide to join

A good school is not measured by trphies but by the demeanor of its students and its instructors

A good school will not have you sparring(fighting) until you are well versed in the basics and moving into the intermediate levels

A good school has a diverse student base meaning that there all all different types of people there

Listen when the instructor teaches Does he seem full of himself

Do the students show a respect of learning not respect out of fear

I find that most schools that are tournament oriented have a different level of standard being that they are lower- I am sorry to have to say this and it is not true of all schools but if a school emphasizes on winning tournaments by point scoring the level of quality of what they learn seems to be lower

If you feel comfortable and welcome in the dojo it is probably a good choice for you but make sure you check out as many as you can before you decide
Reply:After you have checked the authenticity or the art, If you are able, watch the seniors class (these are the ones that will probably teach you in the beginning.). The seniors set the tone of the school. The seniors should be able to answer any questions you have regarding the art or should have the humility to say "I don't know, let me find out the answer for you." If there is camaraderie in the senior class and the art represents the lineage you are looking for, then you might want to add this school to your good list.
Reply:the most direct linage is good...those teachers should know a lot and be authentic...I'd say the best schools are the ones that haven't (or won't) tun into a buisness, the schools that won't force you to be under a contract. Try one out, and if you don't like it, then leave. Qigong is supposed to help your health (at least as used in Tai Chi). I am in both Kung Fu and Tai Chi and have swithched schools once. Don't be afraid to leave a school that doesn't fit you.

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San Soo kung fu?

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I have been training in San Soo kung fu for quite a while.

I know that it is a style, but i dont consider it beein a style.

For me it is the best/natural way to fight.

All the moves and technique has a proper way to do it, using the strenghts and weaknesees of the human body, proper hip/body movement etc. It is a pure thinking art, there is also a little bit of wing chun in it, but it has more.

It is not limited at all.

What I am about to say will offend alot of people, and they will start posting insults, but i dont care, to me this art is THE Best art *at least for stand up fighting* that there is around, there is nothing missing to this art.

I wish that people would stop thinking that beeing able to break 10 briks or kick super high is what makes you a good martial artist, that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting.

If there is San Soo practicioners viewing this, do you agree with this statement?

San Soo kung fu?
Where do you get that being able to break 10 bricks or kick super high is what most people think makes a good martial artist and that "that is why people lacks alot of technique and smarts when fighting"? It seems to me that you have a good lot more presuppositions than you think and what you think of your martial art is not unique.
Reply:It depends on what you are refering to when you say that it is "the best/natural way to fight". If you are talking about from a Martial Arts perspective I would have to argue that no martial arts is better than the next.

If you are talking about for a street altercation I would have to question how practical San Soo Kung Fu is for the streets since I do not know much about San Soo Kung Fu.

How good is San Soo when involved in a self-defense situation?
Reply:If you consider your style to be the BEST, then lucky for you that you're doing it ;-)

You'll tend to find that everyone thinks that their own style is the best, and it is... Whatever you have trained the most in is going to work the best for you.

The only thing that really concerns me is that you say it is the best for stand up fighting, implying that it is no good at grappling range. I submit to you that if you're style can not counter a grappler on the ground then it is incomplete or you need to look closer at your techniques to figure out how to apply them on the ground. All good systems will teach ground fighting it's not a new thing. I train Wing Chun Kung Fu and it has ground fighting in it, both in the traditional sense where one uses kicks to keep the opponent at bay and regain your feet and a more anti wrestling thing where you use your chi sao skills which are totally transferrable to the ground and work quite well.
Reply:I do not practice san soo but I have watched its practitioners.

To me it seems to be a very practical art, without all the flashy moves of other kung fu styles. I've watched the san soo matches also, I can say they are very exciting. It reminds me of muay thai, except that it has better hand techniques, in my opinion.
Reply:lol Arrogance. There is no one best martial art. Mine is not better than yours, and yours isn't better from that guy's style down the street.

And you'll notice I never put San Soo down once.

From what I've seen of San Soo it looks good, but I'm just wondering where you got the thinking about the 10 bricks and kicking really high?

But no matter, you have much to learn in humility. Thanks for the 2 points.
Reply:Everyone thinks there martial art is the best. I think mine is!
Reply:What's interesting is that the school closest to me focus more on grappling then anything else. It is a San Soo Kung Fu school but they enter grappling tournaments and their fighters are very good on the ground. The instructor from what I'm told actually was trained in Jujitsu then earned his black belt in San soo Kung Fu. I believe it is a style that uses all things.

Sounds really cool from what I've heard.

Oh one last thing I don't buy into people trying to say all styles are equal. There is a best way to punch and either a style teaches it or not. If a style doesn't teach the best way to do soemething it isn't the best. I don't know enough about San Soo to say if they teach the best method but there is a best method out there.
Reply:Hmmm, I would spar you to see how versital this is and how good it works. If it works better than it just works better. that's life. But, never really know until you try.

A kung fu master is going to fight a 7 foot black bear that has lost an arm to another bear who wins?

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Chuck Norris wins, then eats the bear after roasting it with his heat vision...

then Bruce Lee comes in and kicks the crap out of everyone

A kung fu master is going to fight a 7 foot black bear that has lost an arm to another bear who wins?
Chuck Norris
Reply:the bear.
Reply:This is a stupid question, and despite the saying "there are no such things as stupid questions," you're stupid for asking it.
Reply:The Kung Fu master. Why? Because there are a lot of Kung Fu styles out there and unfortunately for the bear, this Kung Fu Master happens to be a master of the art of spear fighting : P
Reply:hopefully the bear will pass out with heavy blood loss and preferably die meanwhile master should triple somersault into a tree if possible

Shafiq - Kung Fu in tournament application?

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Can someone please tell me what style hes using?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZE...

This guy actually keeps his form and stance when he fights. Amazing stuff. Using Kung Fu like it was meant to be used back then.

What style is it though? Anyone know? It looks reminiscent of what a Shaolin Monk would be firing out.

Shafiq - Kung Fu in tournament application?
Antone's guess would be valid. The northern Shaolin styles are a good guess. It could be Sanda or SanShou which basically Chinese ring sport for Kung Fu that includes everything through take downs but no ground fighting. I would like to know what his training and fighting style are he is awesome.
Reply:I am pretty sure that the red dude is using ninjitsu, because of how balanced he is, something that ninjas are known for.

Should I begin doubting Kung Fu? (the combat styles)?

2009-04-26T18:50:00.001-07:00

Its been famous for ages but I just can't seem to find any evidence where Kung Fu has really shined in all its glory that its hyped up to be. The only art that redeems itself for me is Wing Chun, which is very effective in a fight, especially punches down the centerline in a straightline.

But what about Choy Li Fut? Praying Mantis? Eagle style? Five Animals?

I've been such a Kung Fu addict (not the movie type) for so long that I find it frustrating how a simple search of Muay Thai on YouTube can produce dozens of amazing fight videos but a Kung Fu search has only a few real fight scenes. More of them loosing then winning too.

Whats the deal, Kung Fu?

Should I begin doubting Kung Fu? (the combat styles)?
It is more than just fighting it is a way of life for most that do it outside the USA in particular. Same goes for most styles. They live and eat it day after day.

Shaolin is good, Hungar I trained in was good. Kenpo which is Okinawan but with heavy Chinese roots.

Kung fu is still a great style and way of life. It is just not for all.

ever watch Fearless with Jet Li? sure it was Wing Chun but he beat all, even the Japanese. So I think Kung Fu is still a great art, just finding the right teacher that matters.
Reply:Think of it like as Kung Fu was the ancestor style of combat. Now, the modern martial arts has surpassed Kung Fu by far. Honestly, I think boxing is by far the most effective style.

The movies has exaggerated the power of Kung Fu. However, Shaolin monk's kung fu is not to be underestimated. They will still whoop your **** with ease if you are not careful.
Reply:Kung Fu is a beautiful martial art which requires great flexibility, athleticism, and artistry. It has also been greatly hyped by Hollywood. The reality is Kung Fu is not practical when it comes to street fighting or MMA. It does not teach ground fighting which is where 90% of fights end up. Kung Fu should not be shunned because it has great historical significance and artistry but for god sake, don't expect it to carry you in a street fight or an MMA cage.
Reply:what exactly is kung fu addict? its other you train or you dont. YouTube is not the source of info and couldnt be taken as such. kung fu is over 3000 years old if you are an addict you would understand that it speaks for itself.i would change your word 'famous' to 'efficient'. i couldnt imagine my instructor placing a video on YouTube to boast like many martial arts do, because kung fu its not just style or fight but a moral state, lifestile and serenity. Good luck, addict
Reply:I would encourage you to look up Shao-lin Kung-fu. It had Mantas, Eagle, ad Five Animals Pa-Kua. It also has Dragon, Snake, Black Tiger, and many other various styles and forms.

I take Shao-lin. I believe it is a very fine example of kung-fu. Our Grandmaster, Grandmaster Sin Kwang The', is one of the coolest people I have ever met.

Shao-lin is also very effective in self defense. It uses a lot of pressure points, knock out from pressure points and joint locks. It could carry you into a MMA ring if you have trained with other martial arts, hence the name mixed martial arts because it not just one martial art its several being mixed together.

Shao-lin has an awesome history. Go look it up and read about it.

I also agree with Fresh. Kung-fu is a way of lifestyle.
Reply:When the Vale Tudo and UFC tournaments first started they sought to answer the question as to which single martial art is superior. The answer? None.

While certain styles prevailed over others (some even on a consistent basis) what has been proven is that no one martial art exclusively wins all the time. What we have found out is that certain aspects of certain martial arts, when combined together, have the most practical application. In effect there has become a new martial art named MMA. With jiu-jitsu ground game, Judo throws, Muay Thai kicks and elbows, boxing strikes, and more, all combined to make an effective and devastating martial art.

Kung-Fu is an incredible art form and fighting form, and yes there are practical applications of plenty of moves taught in Kung-Fu, do not view it simply as a be-all-end-all. Learn it, use what you can and adapt. In the end you probably will never say, "One time I was in this kung-fu fight..." You will say, "I was in a fight once..." and that is the moral of the story. Become a better fighter by studying all forms of fighting.

Good luck, chin down and keep your guard up.
Reply:There is a split in the Kung Fu world between southern styles and northern styles. If you think Wing Chun is effective, note it's a southern style, and check out some other Southern Styles like Hung Gar, or White Crane. (off of which Karate developed) I tend to think the Southern styles are more effective, especially in their training techniques, and the NOrthern styles are more showy.
Reply:Firstly, Kung Fu is not a martial art. The term means "level of achievement".

You are referring to Chinese martial arts Fist styles, or Kuen.

Whether Shaolin or secular, they are all Chinese Boxing or methods.

The problem is, and this is from one of my teachers, who is Chinese, is that the Chinese don't really teach non-Chinese correctly nor completely.

And now it's even worst because it is now considered a sport.

If you learn the techniques but don't learn the hidden meanings of the movements... what they mean, how they are used against an attack, you are wasting your money.

My teacher, was a member of the Iron Guard and has been doing martial arts for 60 years. He calls it as it is. And I believe him.

And he teaches his art without holding back anything.

You don't have doubts in the art, just in the lack of it.
Reply:China has two great schools of martial arts. Shaolin (Buddhist) in the north and Wudang (Daoist) in the south. Martial art is the Yang energy and soft Qigong (Healing) is the Yin. If you are losing interest after such dedication it is most likely you have either reached full Yang and flipping into Yin or are not balancing the Yang energy with cultivation of Yin. Each set or form works the energy in an individual way to achieve a specific result. Sounds like time to reassess where you are in your life Grasshopper. You do need to understand both the culture and philosophies of China to be able to understand the depth.
Reply:I love Kung Fu - I find it to be very effective. I am taking a sojourn into Tang Soo Do right now --- after starting there, I was able to back up Dan's including masters. Maybe it is just me. They now nicknamed me "The Ferocious One" and ask me to represent them in tournaments.

My fighting style is Kung Fu though - although I am integrating things I am learning from them as any good martial artist should do -- in my opinion.
Reply:Yes. No. Find out for yourself.
Reply:Kung Fu is as explained simply good work. But as far as well being efficient, well did you know that most folks will never fight in their life. That is most folks whom participate in Martial Arts of any kind.

The concept to alot is safety not sport fighting. Now sport fighting has it's place, but realize in America the Baby Boomers and such are now in their 40's and 50's. They would rather love and watch the sport than get pummeled every day.

So now for styles that work well, lets look at history. Kung Fu or Chinese styles are equal to both Roman and Greece in longevity. They have a better traced history as for styles though

It is not superior to none, nor less than. It wasn't developed with others destruction in mind. It was designed for self discovery. One of the rewards is self defense, as is great health, peace, and an understanding of our weaknesses and strengths .

This is all a part of learning to win. Many kung fu styles will produce todays winners. Winners in life. What can be better?
Reply:Check on youtube for Sanda, San Shou or Shuai jiao. Those are all forms of Kung-Fu that focus on combat.

I also agree with MrSlappy. It really comes down to "Become a better fighter by studying all forms of fighting". Also being a better fighter requires you to practice fighting, not 3 hours per class of forms/kata (there is space for it but some schools have a unnecessary focus on them).

To me it seems like the creation and popularity of MMA is really just a modern form of Pankration.

Japanese / Kung Fu type show on MTV?

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It was a show on MTV a few years ago and it was with actual people, it wasn't a cartoon. I don't remember if it was just a movie or if it was a series. I just remember I really liked the hairstyle of one of the girls on the show. There were some fighting scenes I think, Kung Fu style... lol. I don't know if this description will help at all... but I just want to know the name of the show. Thankssss!

Japanese / Kung Fu type show on MTV?
i remember what ur talking about...but i don't remember any details..i think it was a movie...check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pro...

flowers funeral

What were the chinese shoes on the kung fu episode of Fight Quest called?

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doug said they were the air jordan's over there...

What were the chinese shoes on the kung fu episode of Fight Quest called?
they are feiyue and they're really cheap!

http://www.martialartsmart.net/45353l.ht...

Acid Zebra and Gazoo in a kung-fu theology ninja fight. Who wins?

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LOL

Acid Zebra and Gazoo in a kung-fu theology ninja fight. Who wins?
I win by default! yay! Report It

Reply:Acid Zebra trips and takes a header when his coke bottle glasses fall off during mid-chop.
Reply:Awesome
Reply:Man... no fighting. Pacifism, dude. Just chill out!
Reply:I'm backing my man Acid Zebra. (He has the better avatar too :P )

Thai boxing or kung fu in a fight?

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which would be more effective in a severe fight?

Thai boxing or kung fu in a fight?
It depends on the style of Kung Fu, and how hard each person trained. A champion Muay Thai boxer would kill your average civil-self-defense trained Kung Fu man. However, with hard training Kung Fu can be more effective.
Reply:kung fu it hits the critical points lots and is nice and fast
Reply:Well the better fighter would win....

Given equal talents - however you would qualify that - the thai guy would spank Mr. Kung Fu's butt.
Reply:Dim Mak in a street fight..... oh man.
Reply:generally thai boxing is far better preparation for pure combat.

Do you Believe that you can efficiently FIGHT, do Kung-fu, do Gun battles&etc.,while wearing your?

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single-(or Double)breasted suit,Dress tie and Dress shoes,with no problem at all?

Do you Believe that you can efficiently FIGHT, do Kung-fu, do Gun battles%26amp;etc.,while wearing your?
of course !
Reply:Yeah! Cus I'm a killer lethal pink ninja!! Stilettos are great throwing stars/spikes you know!

But shhh don't tell anyone my ninja identity!
Reply:Well enough. I always wear boots with a suit, and allowed enough room in the jacket %26amp; pants for a holster.
Reply:No. I am not 007.....
Reply:no
Reply:heck yes, james bond did it !!!

Whom would win in a fist fight ? Asian kung-fu generation or ...?

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Boa, Day after tommorow, Do as infinity, Dir en grey, Every little thing, Gackt, The pillows, Greenday, High and mighty color, weezer, Number girl, Morning musume, Three days grace, yellow generation

Whom would win in a fist fight ? Asian kung-fu generation or ...?
Three Days Grace, no battle. Those dudes are hard core. I just saw them in concert last month, by the way. ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply:me i play with my nukes
Reply:Thai

WHERE DO I LEARN KUNG FU IN INDIA AND WHO WILL WIN IF A AN ATHELE FIGHTS A KUNG FU person ?

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A. Who will win a shaolin monk or a wwe wrestler ?

B. Who will win a shaolin monk or a boxer ?

C. Who will win a shaolin monk or a karate master ?

WHERE DO I LEARN KUNG FU IN INDIA AND WHO WILL WIN IF A AN ATHELE FIGHTS A KUNG FU person ?
If I were you, I would learn good English!
Reply:u need to work on ur english,as for which 1 is gona win,its the level of skill mastered that makes the difference,not their physical build up,better find out a school near your locality,remember to learn u only requiere urge to learn,instructor will be ur guide.rest is upto u,all the best Report It

What style of Legit fighting do you train and where? (only real arts like Muay Thai and BJJ no Kung Fu lol)?

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Right now i'm at Pacific Coast Martial arts training BJJ and improving my Western Boxing although I train a lot of Thai Boxing, but the hand emphasis isn't the same so i'm taking a short break from it.

What style of Legit fighting do you train and where? (only real arts like Muay Thai and BJJ no Kung Fu lol)?
My training is similar to yours. I train BJJ, Muay Thai, and Boxing. I also have a strong background in wrestling, having done it for over 6 years and having coached it for a short time. Right now I'm not near any schools, as I work on a Navy base in Italy. There are a couple of guys here with different backgrounds and we spar together, teaching each other what we can. When I get back to the states I'm going back to my BJJ school, and looking for a muay thai gym if I can find one.

I think you're training now is ideal for MMA. Boxing and muay thai have awesome footwork and striking techniques. Combine that with the comfort muay thai fighters have in the clinch and the ground fighting prowess of BJJ and you have a very well rounded fighter. All that's missing is the takedown ablility of wrestling or judo. I've trained with many higher ranked (in belt)BJJ practitioners, and I've always had them off the takedown. They eventually improve their position and get me with a submission, but that will change in time.

I don't completely agree with your view on Kung Fu, though. It's true that there aren't many MMA champions with Kung Fu backgrounds, but I don't think that is because of the stye. I think it's more because of the training.

Kung Fu, traditionally, was a mixed martial art form. The chinese brought together various famous fighters to study their styles and techniques and to develop strong fighters for battle. It's techniques are effective and it has potential for MMA Presently, though, I don't think Kung Fu is practiced in a way that builds great fighters. Especially in the US. It has become more of a forms based martial art and the practitioners don't spar enough, if at all. It's possible for a Kung Fu fighter to study for years and have less ring time than a Muay Thai boxer would get in his first few months at a gym.
Reply:aikido

actually, i don't kno any form of martial arts.

but that is the form that steven seagal does
Reply:Could you please explain why Kung Fu, which has been used in warfare since ancient times, is inferior to thai boxing, BJJ, and Western Boxing? I should post this question.
Reply:As with anything else, where you train and how you train effect more of the outcome as opposed to what you train in. I have seen fantastic Tae Kwon Do martial artists who train more as a martial art than a sport. I have seen BJJ martial artists who go to the ground right away while trying to take down somebody else and fail miserably. For someone to make such a generalized statement does a real disservice to people who practice their martial arts with the intended philosophies.

TKD is taught mainly as a sport nowadays. That doesn't mean you can't find a good teacher that teaches it as a fighting system. Muay Thai is, in fact, the sport version of a less popularized Thai martial art. I bet you would agree that it is still effective.

Finally, if you train in a complete system, one that encompasses projectile weapons (arrows, darts, even guns), long range weapons (spears, staffs), mid range weapons (swords, clubs), short range weapons (knives, daggers), foot and hand strikes, elbow and knee strikes, grappling, and ground fighting, you wouldn't need to take other styles because you would already be a well-rounded fighter. Strange how most Chinese martial arts do this and yet you discount them...
Reply:I train muay thai under Kru Bunkerd Faphimai and Kru Neungsiam at Fight and Fitness in San Francisco, CA. Both are former thai national champions. If you do not know what that is, it is the best thia boxer in Thailand for that year. Bunkered won it in '86 and Neungsiam won it in '96 I think. Both of these guys are awesome and like my brothers.

http://www.fightandfitness.com
Reply:I just started training at Jorge Gurgel's school in Muy Thai. I'm looking to have my first ama. fight in November.

Aikido vs kung fu?

2009-04-26T18:47:00.003-07:00

who do you think would win in a ufc fight a kung fu black belt or an aikido black belt

Aikido vs kung fu?
Aiki-Jitsu is extremely dangerous and it is what Aiki-do was derived (just as Ju-do was derived from Ju-jutsu).

Today Aikido is extremely defense oriented but nevertheless effective. Aikido really isn't designed for a prize fighting environment for pugilists to strut their stuff in front of screaming fans, Aikido is really for self-defense in a back alley at night in the winter against hoodlums.

Kung Fu can be applied to a prize-fighting environment, but that would be a real waste of your kung fu talent. Like Aikido, Kung fu is meant to be used for self-defense against severe assault to justify your finger strikes to the eyes and other gouging techniques required by kung fu.
Reply:well in aikido you dont learn how to "attack" its all about redirecting the opponents' motion so it came down to points an aikido practitioner would lose points due to passiveness in the fight and no controlling the octagon.

and on the other hand there are tons of different kung fus need to be a little more specific.

anyways it totally depends on how the person used the style they learned
Reply:omfg aikido is cr*p i went to join an aikido club and it was a slow motion moving like a gaint pansy. so i joined a karate club instead.

kung fu is amazing, they know alot of awesome moves.

KUNG FU all the way
Reply:kung fu
Reply:If it's going by a point system, Aikido would not 'win.' It's primarily a reaction based system, and while very effective and efficient in an actual fight, it would not 'win' in this scenario... If you even call that winning in battle. Last I checked, there was no point system in a true battle.

This is not absolute, however.

You can speculate all you want, even watch a fight or two with sets close to what you say here, but you would get no definitive answer. What is more important here is not the art, but the practicioner of that art. Any martial art can be 'lethal' or 'passive' depending on the warrior that uses it. There are users of aggressive arts that have been overtaken by practicioners of Tai Chi Chuan and the like. It's the person, not the style, that makes the difference.
Reply:well kung fu is too wide of a term. there are many types of kung fu, and in fact aikido might be in a sub-category of this.

aikido is a style of fighting that is meant to bring down an attacker with MINIMAL EFFORT. the main goal is to simply redirrect an attackers force, and not oppose it directly. thus, not using much energy. if mastered, an aikido blackbelt can take down an attacker without breaking a sweat, because of how little effort is required.
Reply:Well a large amount of aikido techniques are illegal in UFC because they would break joints too fast and manipulate small joints. The techniques are not meant for sport and many of them could leave people permanently crippled.

Ex: if your threw someone using shihonage and they resisted you could tear out many of the muscles and tendons in the shoulder.

Aikido can be offensive but that is only at the higher levels after the aikidoka has learned how to do technique well and concentrate their power.

Also aikido is more for situations where someone is coming at you full force and trying to SERIOUSLY hurt you. Unlike in MMA in real life people won't jab at you if they're trying to kill you. They will charge, strike hard, or use a weapon.

It would also depend on the style on kung fu and stlye of aikido. Some styles would be more susceptible to aikido techniques due to the range. Aikido is a longer range fighting style than say Wing Chun or Southern Mantis Kung Fu.

Also in aikido most of the styles (excepting yoshinkan) do not put much emphasis on applicable technique.

And while I do train in aikido it has a long learning curve. There's a saying that you only begin to understand it at 3rd degree blackbelt, that that's the "first step" if you will.

I think Kung Fu would beat aikido at the lower levels but if you had a high level aikidoka (especially yoshinkan) vs a high level kung fu practitioner the aikidoka would win.

But in the end as has been said over and over.

ITS THE PRACTITIONER NOT THE ART.

A shitty kung fu guy will never beat a good aikido guy. And a shitty aikido guy will never beat a good kung fu guy.
Reply:akido is more passive like redirecting the attack but they also have a fighting style but its not very affective if they were the fighter but u still have to look at the fighters more then the style because u could have a great kung fu guy that would kill akido or u could have a great akido guy that could kill a kung fu. hope this helps
Reply:The Kung Fu stylist, although traditional CMA's do not use belts.

So yeah, really any kung fu style except Tai Chi, Pa Kua, or Xingyi, but even so...
Reply:It would come down to the person. When you have two semi-contact styles coming together you end up with a low grade scuffle that looks like neither of the original styles.

Both would have spent all of their careers sparring(assuming they even spar) only their own guys and expecting them to react a certain way and when they don't it ends up like two kids in a sandpit

As a greco wrestler I used to go along to aikido and because we did not comply with all the throws the blackbelt expected to work(they could not even grip us actually) we would get asked to leave.

And kung fu guys, as a boxer I went into along to one of their comps, having heard they mostly used hand styles anyway, and having knocked the first two guys out with jabs the crowd cottoned on I was not kung fu and I was disqualified.
Reply:Shinbu, Yoshinkan, and Tomiki Aikido are the top 3 styles of Aikido. But in Aikido they would not be aloud to use 80% of there techniques.

As for Kung Fu they are many styles with them as well and I am sure that they wouldnt be aloud to use all of there techniques either
Reply:Aikido techniques are not allowed in MMA so its too dificult to answer your question, besides it depends about kung fu style

Why dont kung fu monk fight in competitions?

2009-04-26T18:47:00.002-07:00

First and foremost, violence for the sake of violence is radically against their philosophy. Secondly, a Shaolin doesn't feel the need to prove themselves in combat; such a need would arise out of vanity and that too, is frowned upon by Buddhists. In ancient times, the monks did fight when the need arose (and that meant they would fight in only in order to put an end to an even greater violence) and proved themselves to be a formidable force every time.

Why dont kung fu monk fight in competitions?
monk's dont believe in senseless violence
Reply:They are smart...In fighting in competition they have to reveal their secret or they will lose so why take the chance. They rather let the public worship something unknown.
Reply:That is not what martial art is for. From prespective I think the only reason that a martial art class like karate and taekwondo spar is because they do it to develop certain type of attributes and abilities. We don't spar in Kung fu because we have exerise that will help us develop attributes and abilities. Also Kung Fu is not a sport so why will they compete? I think the Martial Art community should start distinguishing between sport and martial art. Why should one consider martial arts as sports?
Reply:Many Kung fu arts were developed for battlefield combat. So they were used for killing multiple enemies without rules as to which techniques they shouldn't use. The point was to kill the enemy at any means necessary.Competitions are 1 vs 1 fights where you aren't supposed to kill the opponent and there are many rules as to what you can't do. So kung fu isn't meant for competition.
Reply:When a priest get into kung fu, it is (or should be) merely used as a tool -- not as an end unto itself.

The only person you are competing against is yourself!

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What's the name of the old-school Kung fu movie where the guy uses a "cat" style of fighting to beat the evil

2009-04-26T18:47:00.001-07:00

In the movie, our hero sees a cat fighting a snake, and he improvises his own "cat" style to beat his evil nemesis, who--if I recall--used a "snake" style. I saw it one Saturday morning and thought it was awesome, but I didn't catch the name of it, and now I have no idea how to find it and buy it, so I can watch it again and again and again.

What's the name of the old-school Kung fu movie where the guy uses a "cat" style of fighting to beat the evil
dude its jackie chan

i think the one your talking about is snake in eagles shadow, but might be eagle claw snake fist cats paw 2. does the school get beat up by another school and the hero (jackie) is just the servant boy thats not allowed to train, if so snake in eagle shadow.meow!